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NedLudd
05-07-2015, 04:15 PM
I didn't want to title this "staying in shape", because that indicates more than just not being fat, such as exercise. Anyway, when I was younger, this was never even a concern of mine, I could eat anything and stay within a pound or two of the same weight. As I'm getting older, it's no longer the case. I overindulge for a week and the consequences are practically immediate. So now I have to monitor what I eat, which is new for me. Basically I just monitor calories without much regard for what the calories consist of, and it seems to work. What, if anything, do you do to stave off fatness?

Hephaestus
05-07-2015, 04:46 PM
I think the standard method for Americans is to redefine fat as bigger than yourself.

Ptah
05-07-2015, 04:59 PM
I basically eat less crap and exercise (run).

stuck
05-07-2015, 05:15 PM
I have to count calories and "eat clean."

When I stop either of those things I feel like shit, start to eat way too much, and gain about 1/4-1/2 a pound per week. If I really aggressively stop giving a fuck and drink sugary booze and eat crap, I can comfortably gain more like 2 pounds a week.

"Clean" means a lot of vegetables, lean protein, and healthy fat, with a limited amount of fruit and whole grains. It means almost no refined sugar. Booze is more complicated because I tend to pair it with a lot of additional activity. I'm sure it's not doing me many favors, and when I hack it out of my life I lose more weight.

It's possible for me to get skinny by walking +6 miles each day and not worrying about anything else (I could probably chart this by noting that my average +100 calories a day would be offset by the ~ -600 calories from 2 hours of walking), but I have been in situations where I've eaten "clean" but not counted calories, exercised lightly for an hour every day, and still been obese.

Most of all, it means a lot of experimenting, allowing myself to falter, and paying attention to how it all feels. I'm hoping my reformed eating habits will eventually mean no spare tire and better leptin sensitivity. I have much better insulin sensitivity, but apparently the leptin takes years or *never* to adjust.

shrug

stuck
05-07-2015, 05:31 PM
I didn't want to title this "staying in shape", because that indicates more than just not being fat, such as exercise. Anyway, when I was younger, this was never even a concern of mine, I could eat anything and stay within a pound or two of the same weight. As I'm getting older, it's no longer the case.

Afaik, a part of the slowing metabolism of old age is due to muscle wasting, which has a synergistic relationship with a shittier hormone profile. (studies have shown that giving shots of test will increase muscle mass without any additional exercise, and increased fat percentage means increased estrogen)

Makers!*
05-07-2015, 07:16 PM
I think it's biologically impossible for me to get fat. My body destroys calories. But I'm also always moving--in some way. I'm that guy, with the foot jittering or rocking in his seat or pacing around my apartment, and I've heard that these doing these activities throughout a day will burn hundreds of calories.

On another note: sometimes I see fat people. Or not just fat, but obese. And they'll be stuffing their face with the worst sort of foods, which I do reframe from, and a wave of repulsion will hit me. Like, it's hard for me to not psychically project my disgust. Then, I'll remember that the void they fill with food I fill with anxiety or worse, heavy drinking, and after that, I feel a sort human camaraderie.

jigglypuff
05-07-2015, 07:30 PM
it's impossible for me to get fat now but i think i might get jiggly later in life when i'm middle aged if i have a sedentary lifestyle. rn my lifestyle's moderately active (depends) & i exercise whenever i feel like it. i don't eat a lot of food in terms of volume and calories so there's nothing to really do diet-wise.

Senseye
05-07-2015, 07:42 PM
@Makers - possible, but get back to us around your mid-40's. That's when the shit really starts to hit the fan.

Lud is kind of doing the right thing by trying to just be more careful about calories in. Either you become an exercise junkie, remove all pleasure from the food you do eat (i.e. live off veggies, whey smoothies and protein powder) and/or gain some weight.

You will probably eventually gain some weight. One other issues with getting old is you tend to get a bit lazy as well. This isn't a problem if you are an established exercise junkie (then you will probably carry on as usual), but for the more average joe's (like myself) who tend to exercise only when things start to get out of hand, you will find your will to do so weakens every 5 years or so past your 35th birthday (not that it goes in 5 year fits, but it takes about 5 years before you will actually perceive a noticeable difference).

Vison
05-07-2015, 07:52 PM
The amount of walking I do out of pleasure is enough to maintain my weight, make sure I'm not eating too much or too little and I keep the choices clean.

If I eat both too much or two little I'll see noticeable weight gain in about a week and a half. I'd outlive most people in a famine situation.

stuck
05-07-2015, 08:02 PM
Lud is kind of doing the right thing by trying to just be more careful about calories in. Either you become an exercise junkie, remove all pleasure from the food you do eat (i.e. live off veggies, whey smoothies and protein powder) and/or gain some weight.

These topics have been truly blown the fuck out over the past 30 years. I don't know what other people consider being an "exercise junkie," but a lot of the time it means "going to the gym at all".

Food is the same way. Yesterday, I ate:

4 eggs
2 pieces of bread
an ounce of cheese
a package of green onions
a pat of butter
a splash of oil
a pile of poached chicken
half a package of arugula with balsamic and olive oil
2 cups of greek yoghurt
2 cups of frozen pineapple
two tangelos

for ~2,000 calories. not exactly deprivation.

jigglypuff
05-07-2015, 08:29 PM
^ what i consider being an "exercise junkie" is exercising as a way to emotionally cope with something when it really isn't necessary for health reasons, & even being addicted to it. i was an exercise junkie when i was anorexic.

Faust
05-07-2015, 08:36 PM
I find chowing down on nutrient-rich food makes it easy not to overeat or having to be conscious about calorie-intake, but then I've always eaten well (minus the filth mom shoveled us in childhood) and have never been overweight, which would have an impact on my overall cravings. At most, I snack more than I should. Both father and mother have gained and lost lots of weight, so it's not improbable that I do the same if I'm not careful.

Now that I think about it though, I have a strong habit of checking ingredients and nutritional information when purchasing foods. I will scrutinize the most when I'm really just fighting a craving, confirming that I should leave something on the shelf. I don't buy chips anymore but sometimes find myself walking by them pointlessly. I fucking love salt&vinegar chips.

A month ago I noticed I have 5 pounds extra than the usual, an amount unchanged for ages (since 18?). I don't see it on me, but I look a little soft. Need to get back into a regular exercise regimen.

ferrus
05-07-2015, 08:59 PM
In the last week I've gone back to the meat, cheese and salad diet that, in combination with 2 digit mile-length walks helped me lose weight last time.

notdavidlynch
05-07-2015, 09:04 PM
What, if anything, do you do to stave off fatness?

Keep your metabolism in check.

Your metabolism may be influenced by genetics & age, but it's also influenced by a wide range of other big and little things: macro-nutrient ratios, activity level, current body composition, special cases with certain types of foods, drugs and/or vitamin excess/deficiency, hormones, the weather, whatever.

I'm not trying to stave off fatness right now. I'm trying to gain weight. But if I were trying to stave off fatness in a healthy way then I would just eat a balanced diet at maintenance calories and then just raise my activity levels (walking 4 hours a day, for instance, or just being on your feet for most of the day). If I wanted to lose weight faster then I'd restrict calories. If I was insane then I'd smoke meth or break up with my girlfriend and quit all my jobs to drastically increase my cortisol levels and go catabolic or something like that.

Or just go the Butter Bean route and eat a can of beans at every meal before you're allowed to eat anything else. Easy trick.

ACow
05-07-2015, 09:24 PM
Really I'm doing a couple of simple things, because fuck counting calories:

-milk is low fat
-breakfast each morning is high fibre
-drink water (not juice or sugared/sweetened shit or carbonaged beverages)
-don't buy processed food/anything prepared
-no reason to have plain white bread (especially in America it will just be another sugar delivery system)
-walk everywhere

Honey and white/brown/raw sugar are really the only sweet thing you need in your cupboard for inclusion in other recipes.

There is no reason to ever voluntarily bring more than 1 serve of ice cream/chocolate/chips/lollies/shit into your house at once.

I'm not putting on weight. And if you're doing those bad things and now you stop, don't be surprised when you start passively losing weight.

stuck
05-07-2015, 10:28 PM
Lol beans. Yeah

BIOTCH
05-23-2015, 12:39 AM
Lol beans. Yeah

beans make me blow

BIOTCH
05-23-2015, 12:41 AM
eat wild meat and white rice then you won't be phat

avolkiteshvara
05-23-2015, 12:48 AM
I've totally atrophied the past year or so. Still maintained weight by just fasting, watching calories and minimizing carbs.

BIOTCH
05-23-2015, 12:51 AM
Why did you atrophy? I want to climb a big mountain. I'd luv a big INTP mountain climb even if some of us arent really INTP LETS DO ET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!