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stuck
01-05-2014, 04:28 AM
I think most of you are probably familiar with my classic troll thread that has now gone to China and back "the 24 subtypes of INTP".

It was originally conceived as a way to poke fun at the combinatorial (?) nature of the MBTI, by adding the layer of permutation. Beyond that, the only theory I had in mind was "think of the first letter as the most important part of that person's mixture, and that which would be more important to them." Really, I guess it's not too much more zany than the MBTI.

However, it really runs roughshod over the functions. Or does it?

Anyway, this thread is in service of Deckard's request, and to maybe draw some traffic here. If we can make sense of my inspiration, I fling it open to the crowds.

All I ask is a tiny golden skyscraper in 80 years when it turns into the next scientology.

stuck
01-05-2014, 04:32 AM
If the test was aimed at people who were already diagnosed as INTP, you'd only need 3 questions to differentiate between those 24 subtypes. I.e. first question narrows down to one of the 4 main groups, next question to narrow down to the second dominant letter, final question to differentiate the remaining two subtypes. It would be a challenge to create effective questions since the distinctions are all fairly subtle, and INTPs tend to express traits of all/most of the subtypes. But as someone else noted, it doesn't have to be accurate, as long as it's fun.

Ah! Smart. *pinches Deckard's smart little cheeks*

Well, then we need questions that weigh the letters against each other. In the rawest sense:

1. Would you rather think or intuit?
2. Would you rather procrastinate or be alone?
3. Would you rather [answer from 1.] or [answer from 2.]

Put it on sliders, there you go. Find a way from discouraging "even" preference, like 25% of each, 50% of any two, 33% of any three.

Deckard
01-05-2014, 04:45 AM
I think for better contrast between the subtypes you'd want a question for each branch of the tree. I.e. each person only experiences 3 questions in series, but those questions depend on their answer to the previous one.

This is what I came up with as a rough first question. Right now it's not worded as a question, more a "which of these do you identify most with" type thing:

p-type:
try anything / high openness / see the world in subtle shades of grey

n-type:
patterns & connections jump out (whether they're really there or not), overactive imagination, free-association

i-type:
protective barriers between self & other people; socially anxious

t-type:
focused on complex systems: figuring out the rules underlying apparent complexity, or solving the unsolved


Feel free to correct / refine.

stuck
01-05-2014, 04:47 AM
So I'd propose the test weigh each pair:

1. think ……….. procrastinate
2. intuit ……….. procrastinate
3. be alone …….. procrastinate
4. think ……….. intuit
5. think ……….. be alone
6. intuit ………. be alone

lol

SO, we need only to find real world situations for each of those scenarios that would prioritize one over the other. Maybe 3- 4 versions of each to average out various people's idiosyncrasies.

stuck
01-05-2014, 04:49 AM
I think for better contrast between the subtypes you'd want a question for each branch of the tree. I.e. each person only experiences 3 questions in series, but those questions depend on their answer to the previous one.

This is what I came up with as a rough first question. Right now it's not worded as a question, more a "which of these do you identify most with" type thing:

p-type:
try anything / high openness / see the world in subtle shades of grey

n-type:
patterns & connections jump out (whether they're really there or not), overactive imagination, free-association

i-type:
protective barriers between self & other people; socially anxious

t-type:
focused on complex systems: figuring out the rules underlying apparent complexity, or solving the unsolved


Feel free to correct / refine.

I like it… I think the i-type needs to be more positive though, about "independence" etc.

stuck
01-05-2014, 04:51 AM
The only thing I have against your tree test over my scenario test is that yours may lead them to expect a particular answer, and "show the hand" of the theory prematurely. With the scenarios, it could be more of a magic trick.

I do, however, prefer that yours is a choose your own adventure.

What if it were even more like a choose your own adventure?

Deckard
01-05-2014, 05:05 AM
The only thing I have against your tree test over my scenario test is that yours may lead them to expect a particular answer, and "show the hand" of the theory prematurely. With the scenarios, it could be more of a magic trick.

I do, however, prefer that yours is a choose your own adventure.

What if it were even more like a choose your own adventure?

Yeah each approach has its pros & cons. What about a choose your own adventure style branching test, followed by the weighted sliders magic trick (or whatever), with the results being integrated on the backend?

stuck
01-05-2014, 05:28 AM
What would be an example of your first question- the one that determines the largest preference?

Deckard
01-05-2014, 11:14 AM
Ok, how's this for question #1 in the choose-your-own-adventure:

It's 40,000 B.C., the Paleolithic period, and for the past year you have been wandering the wilderness alone. Your solo survivalist skills have developed, but life is hard. Today you encountered a small tribe who are friendly and welcoming but clearly not the strongest or most effective tribe in the region. Despite their hospitality, they seem a little naive. You are faced with a decision:

You decide to move along and continue down your self-reliant solitary path. [100% I] [40% P]
You've noticed the tribe lacks expertise in survivalism, weapons crafting and hunting strategy, and you think you can teach them something and point out what they're doing wrong. You decide to join the tribe as a technical advisor of sorts. [100% T] [30% N]
You decide to take a gamble and style yourself as a shaman despite having virtually no experience, with the intention of advising, manipulating and directing the tribe's future. [100% N] [20% P]
You decide to join the tribe, but instead of committing to a role, you keep your cards to your chest until a good opportunity presents itself. [100% P] [20% I] [20% T]

stuck
01-05-2014, 04:14 PM
Lol, pretty good.

mthomps
01-05-2014, 04:18 PM
TPNI here wondering where the original description is?

Deckard
01-05-2014, 06:20 PM
Lol, pretty good.
Am I going to have to write the whole thing myself?


TPNI here wondering where the original description is?
hear (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?36491-The-24-types-of-INTP)

stuck
01-05-2014, 07:53 PM
Am I going to have to write the whole thing myself?


haha fine.



It's 40,000 B.C., the Paleolithic period, and for the past year you have been wandering the wilderness alone. Your solo survivalist skills have developed, but life is hard. Today you encountered a small tribe who are friendly and welcoming but clearly not the strongest or most effective tribe in the region. Despite their hospitality, they seem a little naive. You are faced with a decision:

You decide to move along and continue down your self-reliant solitary path. [100% I] [40% P]
You've noticed the tribe lacks expertise in survivalism, weapons crafting and hunting strategy, and you think you can teach them something and point out what they're doing wrong. You decide to join the tribe as a technical advisor of sorts. [100% T] [30% N]
You decide to take a gamble and style yourself as a shaman despite having virtually no experience, with the intention of advising, manipulating and directing the tribe's future. [100% N] [20% P]
You decide to join the tribe, but instead of committing to a role, you keep your cards to your chest until a good opportunity presents itself. [100% P] [20% I] [20% T]


"You decide to move along and continue down your self-reliant solitary path." [100% I] [40% P]

You nod goodbye to your companions and beat a hasty retreat. Flush with a renewed sense of independence and free time, the day is yours to do with as you please. You stroll down by the river and notice that you can see a couple fish feeding on the insects on the surface. You're not hungry, but you know you will be tomorrow. You have a fairly trusty technique down of making a spear out of a stick and catching fish, although it's a touch labor-intensive:


You get cracking on your trusty technique of whittling a spear and catching some fish. You improve the spear this time by adding barbs, what a genius! [100% T] [40% N]
You don't feel like doing that right now, and move directly on to greener pastures. Plus, you're going to have to find shelter, preferably away from those people you so rudely spurned. [100%P] [40%I]
Maybe there's a better solution to this fishing thing… you get a glazed look in your eye. [100% N] [20% T] [20% P]


"You've noticed the tribe lacks expertise in survivalism, weapons crafting and hunting strategy, and you think you can teach them something and point out what they're doing wrong. You decide to join the tribe as a technical advisor of sorts." [100% T] [30% N]

Amidst some baffled looks, you reach into your pocket and pull out your flint. They have their crappy versions too, but yours is serrated. You motion for a scrap piece of hide and one of the tribespeople's flint. You cut off a piece with theirs, huffing and puffing and almost stabbing yourself. You do it with yours, with ease. They hoot and holler. That night, you show them how to add the serration to their blades.

Day two, you decide what you're going to do. The tribespeople love you, they're busy chipping away with their blown minds. They're not particularly good at it, but they seem to be grasping the main concept. They've given you some extra meat, and some of the single members are giving you the sexy eyeball.


You begin to look around for a place to bunk down. The guest quarters were kind of… public, and you're not really enjoying this vibe from the single folks. They're nice and all, but yeah, no. [100% I] [40% T]
You kick back and enjoy some of that tasty meat, happy in the knowledge that you've earned your keep today. Some r&r, get your strength back, worry about everything else tomorrow. [100% P]
Something about their chipping method doesn't satisfy you AHAH! You leap on a flint, wedge it between two mastodon bones, and with a mysterious motion snap the perfect serration. More blown minds. Wasn't the most pressing need, but it'll halve their time and save a few fingers. [100% N] [20% P]


"You decide to take a gamble and style yourself as a shaman despite having virtually no experience, with the intention of advising, manipulating and directing the tribe's future." [100% N] [20% P]

Winging it, you fall to the ground and begin writhing and speaking in tongues. You crawl to the remnants of last night's fire as a crowd forms, splashing some of the embers and ash into your face. The tribespeople are terrified, clutching their weapons, but none is bold enough to do anything about it. Remembering your Uncle Thag's "there's an arrowhead behind your ear" trick, you slowly rise, roll your eyes back into their sockets, and single out a shy individual. The people gasp as you lurch towards him/her, reach your craggy hand behind their ear, and pull out an archaeopteryx feather. Several people faint, as you improvise a bird dance.

Good job.

The tribespeople rush to cover your trembling body, James Brown style. They rush to the hut of the existing Shaman and boot him/her the fuck out. In there is an embarrassment of riches, weird trinkets, shiny stuff, a powerfully unwashed stench, and what looks like a pile of various mushrooms.


You hang out in your hut "resting", when in reality you are mentally formulating your "mythology," which you will unleash on the tribespeople tonight. [100% T] [20% I]
You take a deep breath and try to decompress from the insane show you just put on. You kick back and rifle through ol' dude's stash. Some weird shit in there. [100% I] [40% P]
You try a couple of the mushrooms, you figure maybe you should figure out what this Shaman thing is about for real. [100% N] [60% P]


"You decide to join the tribe, but instead of committing to a role, you keep your cards to your chest until a good opportunity presents itself." [100% P] [20% I] [20% T]

You get a lay of the land. It's a pretty quiet and basic tribe. You can't tell who exactly is in charge, but there's an old person of indistinct gender in an odd-smelling hut off to the side. There's a couple big guys with piles of meat, there's a few slightly better dressed women with feathers in their hair. Everyone seems to be just sitting around and whittling, gnawing, and/or hacking at something.

You kind of zone out checking out a young lady working on weaving a grass basket, something about the geometric patterns woo you into a trance… when all of a sudden one of the big dudes claps you on the back. You jump. His friends hoot and holler.


You run off. Fuck that shit, nope. The howling of laughter follows you into the jungle. [100% I] [40% T]
You collect yourself, pretending it's no big deal and plot your revenge. They scoot off, with no ripples in the tribe hierarchy. [100% T] [20% P]
You spontaneously invent cursewords, and then blow a snot at him. His friends screech in hilarity, imitating you. He's embarrassed by your intellect, and has lost some face. [100% N] [20%P]

stuck
01-05-2014, 09:53 PM
trying to keep this gender neutral as possible, but.. well.

anyone else is welcome to start chipping away at the last 12 plot segments/24 choices.

mthomps
01-06-2014, 12:45 AM
hear (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?36491-The-24-types-of-INTP)


Was wondering if there was a hard copy at the complex.

Ptah
01-07-2014, 02:11 AM
I think this is an excellent initiative.... Had I more time to contribute personally, I would. Let me know what else I can do to help in the meantime.

Deckard
01-07-2014, 03:23 AM
(level 2 paths)

That's pretty badass. I'll write a bit more for level 3 when I have a bit of time (famous last words).

stuck
01-07-2014, 03:42 AM
That's pretty badass. I'll write a bit more for level 3 when I have a bit of time (famous last words).

Just let me know if you start on any of it so we don't do anything redundant.

I was also thinking, maybe it'd be hilarious if he gets trampled by a mastodon in every case… then he meets St. Peter who administers my slider test, as a way to keep some order in heaven, which turns out to be a jungian psychecracy. He could also give a speech about the 384 types.