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JohnClay
01-30-2016, 10:52 AM
Hi recently I became interested in the Paleo diet which I think means no grains, legumes, refined sugar, processed foods, etc. (and apparently also no dairy products and minimal fruits and starchy carbs) It is very low in carbs. I had been eating some foods that were about 50-70% carbs.

Lately I've been having a lot of diet jelly since it has about 0.2% carbs (but 1% protein - after the water is added that is). Until right this minute I had assumed that since it seemed to only have artificial sweeteners (953, 955, 950) it had next to no calories - similar to the diet lemonade and Coke Zero I have. Also it said 1g of protein per 100g and I thought that was based on the jelly crystal weight... It says it has 29 kJ or 7 calories per serve. But now I've seen that one sachet is considered to be 4 serves! That's still pretty low in calories though.

There are about 10 flavours of the 16 available at my supermarket...
http://aeroplanejelly.com.au/Our-Products/Jelly-Lite/Lite-Raspberry-and-Licorice

I linked to the raspberry and licorice with green tea flavour which I'm looking forward to. (I only discovered that lately).

I've lost about 3 kg in the last few days. (I was 80 kg though I'm quite skinny except for a fairly big belly and some man boobs - what they call "skinny fat") I think it has a lot to do with the jelly I've been eating but also due to me eating lots of celery, eggs, bacon and fish. (plus normal foods for dinner which my housemate cooks - meat and veggies) I also eat a original recipe leg from KFC for lunch when I work - I used to have a "hot n spicy" one but then I noticed it had more carbs and calories. I've stopped having frozen drinks even though they've $1 and I used to eat burgers for lunch.

Sappho
01-30-2016, 11:25 AM
A little bird tells me there was no diet jelly in the Paleolithic.

You're a nutritional fraud. "Do as I say not as I do", eh!

Grape Jelly
01-30-2016, 11:26 AM
I like the strawberry or blueberry fruit at the bottom Activia probiotic greek yogurts. 12g of protein. They have regular yogurt also.

I've also been eating burgers everyday, and need to start eating more pink salmon and tuna instead. I need to start cooking my own chicken breast, and rice or quinoa perhaps.

I also lost a ton of weight when i was eating oatmeal and toast regularly. I'm buying butter and oatmeal tomorrow! I like Simple truth plain oatmeal. Good with buttered toast.

I gotta start hitting the salad bar again. Kidney beans, spinach, kale, strawberries, etc.

Instead of decaf soda. I'm gonna start drinking lemonade at night, minute maid in a carton.

And Premier protein bars. I stock up on those.

ferrus
01-30-2016, 11:56 AM
In Denmark the supermarkets and cornershops sold 'Paleobrød' which was basically bread made up predominantly from seeds. Surprisingly nice.

http://www.kvalimad.dk/opskrifter/noeddebroed-paleo-broed-stenalderbroed/image

ACow
01-30-2016, 12:10 PM
A little bird tells me there was no diet jelly in the Paleolithic.

You're a nutritional fraud. "Do as I say not as I do", eh!

Oh Sappho, you need to be educated on our Australian survival paleo food knowledge as well!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDCNJdeM9PE

Sappho
01-30-2016, 12:11 PM
In Denmark the supermarkets and cornershops sold 'Paleobrød' which was basically bread made up predominantly from seeds. Surprisingly nice.

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Yes, there is even an on-the-go version.

http://i.share.pho.to/193a5f56_o.png

last_caress
01-30-2016, 09:06 PM
Exactly what I'd carry around if I wanted to get murdered by a flock of birds.

stuck
01-30-2016, 09:20 PM
I like the paleo movement as one of the more efficient accelerationist movements. After all, it shelters bodybuilder meat processing fart terraformers and the extremely rich non-gmo grassfed americans under the same unfathomably resource heavy umbrella.

LordLatch
01-31-2016, 12:46 AM
I do not partake of diet jelly.
sounds like the beginning of an artful and facinating poem.

JohnClay
01-31-2016, 01:34 AM
BTW as far as cooking with seeds go, I am avoiding chia seeds, which are 40+% carbs and choosing things like flaxseed and sesame seeds which are less than 3% carbs.

JohnClay
01-31-2016, 02:09 AM
http://paleoleap.com/paleo-guide-to-liver/

If Paleo were a comic book movie, liver would be the superhero. It’s the closest we can get to an all-natural, completely unprocessed multivitamin pill, wrapped in a delicious (really!) and inexpensive package.
The smallest amount of lamb's liver I could buy was 500g. The butcher said I can fry it with onions. I was able to eat about 100g until I felt disgusted by it and I threw the rest away. I tried eating it with other foods to get over the taste. Since it is cheap I might buy some more in the future and also eat part of it.

Sir Caveat
01-31-2016, 02:25 AM
^Does lamb's liver taste similar to cow liver? Occasionally my mom would serve cow's liver fried with onion. There was something off putting about it. Finishing what was on my plate was a chore and I never asked for seconds. It is very filling/rich or just kills your appetite

otoh I do like liverwurst. I think that's made from goose liver, or maybe it's cow's liver with spices that make it more palatable.

JohnClay
01-31-2016, 04:00 AM
^Does lamb's liver taste similar to cow liver? Occasionally my mom would serve cow's liver fried with onion. There was something off putting about it. Finishing what was on my plate was a chore and I never asked for seconds. It is very filling/rich or just kills your appetite

otoh I do like liverwurst. I think that's made from goose liver, or maybe it's cow's liver with spices that make it more palatable.
Cool I'll look into liverwurst. It sounds like what I'm looking for - something that can be bought in small quantities, is easy to prepare and not too disgusting.

last_caress
01-31-2016, 04:09 AM
http://images1.cliqueclack.com/tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/37494-425x318.jpg

Hephaestus
01-31-2016, 05:31 AM
Yes, there is even an on-the-go version.

http://i.share.pho.to/193a5f56_o.png

Uh... aren't those things you hang in your birdcage as a treat--for your bird? Or am I being too credulous?

Limes
01-31-2016, 05:35 AM
Eat some salmon John, don't even use your hands, just dive into that salmon, get all up in that salmon's business and eat it.

JohnClay
01-31-2016, 06:48 AM
Eat some salmon John, don't even use your hands, just dive into that salmon, get all up in that salmon's business and eat it.
My wife has been eating smoked salmon lately but I prefer much cheaper fish with less calories (smoked salmon is at least $35/kg while some other fish is $5 or $6/kg (usually about $12/kg). The friend's dad that told us about the paleo diet he was on and had lost a lot of weight said he has salmon every night.

Sappho
01-31-2016, 11:01 AM
^Does lamb's liver taste similar to cow liver? Occasionally my mom would serve cow's liver fried with onion. There was something off putting about it. Finishing what was on my plate was a chore and I never asked for seconds. It is very filling/rich or just kills your appetite

otoh I do like liverwurst. I think that's made from goose liver, or maybe it's cow's liver with spices that make it more palatable.
In Austria it's generally made from pigs' or calves' livers. I also like it a lot, as well as haggis (which is somewhat similar in taste), even though I detest all other offal (I think a piece of fried liver might have been the worst thing I've ever eaten).


Cool I'll look into liverwurst. It sounds like what I'm looking for - something that can be bought in small quantities, is easy to prepare and not too disgusting.
Incidentally, with its high caloric as well as sat fat content, it's also one of the unhealthiest things you could possibly eat.

stigmatica
01-31-2016, 03:20 PM
JohnClay - You should make some wheatgrass jelly. I don't even know if it's been done (probably?), but in my mind it would be damned good for something healthy. I imagine you just need to buy (or preferably grow) you some wheat grass, squish the juice out it, mix it with some gelatin and boil. Wheatgrass is pretty sweet all on it's own, so I imagine no sugar or artificial BS would be needed. I might try this, come to think of it. Googling to see if it exists after the fact now.

Edit:
Doesn't say wheat grass, but grass Jelly is apparently a thing in parts of Asia. Mmmmmm!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJmzfrTstAI

Sir Caveat
02-01-2016, 01:15 AM
In Austria it's generally made from pigs' or calves' livers.

I checked a couple of manufacturers in the US. They also use pigs' livers for liverwurst.


Incidentally, with its high caloric as well as sat fat content, it's also one of the unhealthiest things you could possibly eat.

That is the conventional wisdom. But there's at least one dissenting science writer, Gary Taubes (http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/good-news-on-saturated-fat/). He points to at least one study where a higher saturated fat diet resulted in more weight loss and better cholesterol levels.

JohnClay
02-01-2016, 08:27 AM
....Incidentally, with its high caloric as well as sat fat content, it's also one of the unhealthiest things you could possibly eat.
Don's Liverwurst is 1240 kj/100g and 10.7% saturated fat. The serving size is 25g though which means 2.7g of saturated fat. On the other hand a tablespoon of butter has 7g of saturated fat.
Liver is called a "superfood" by many.... e.g. http://paleomovement.com/paleo-superfoods-liver/
BTW macadamia nuts are about 3000 kj/100g and 12% saturated fat. So by your reasoning perhaps they are even worse than "one of the unhealthiest things you could possibly eat".

JohnClay
02-01-2016, 08:31 AM
I checked a couple of manufacturers in the US. They also use pigs' livers for liverwurst.
So do the one I bought and my wife likes eating it a lot. It is also spreadable like a pate.


That is the conventional wisdom. But there's at least one dissenting science writer, Gary Taubes (http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/good-news-on-saturated-fat/). He points to at least one study where a higher saturated fat diet resulted in more weight loss and better cholesterol levels.
Se also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet
"The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet.....In adults, common side effects include weight loss, constipation, raised cholesterol levels and, in women, menstrual irregularities including amenorrhoea"
I've read about body-builders using it to reduce their fat so that their muscles are more visible. (to a minimum of 3-5% body fat)

Sir Caveat
02-01-2016, 12:51 PM
So do the one I bought and my wife likes eating it a lot. It is also spreadable like a pate.

That reminds me. My wife likes barbecued chicken hearts and Valentines day is just around the corner.

Light Leak
02-01-2016, 01:06 PM
I also eat a original recipe leg from KFC for lunch when I work - I used to have a "hot n spicy" one but then I noticed it had more carbs and calories.

There's breading in KFC. That's not paleo. According to my brother (who's super into paleo) a cheat like that is that is the worst because of the gluten and will set you back like 6 weeks or something. I never understood why.

JohnClay
02-01-2016, 10:12 PM
There's breading in KFC. That's not paleo. According to my brother (who's super into paleo) a cheat like that is that is the worst because of the gluten and will set you back like 6 weeks or something. I never understood why.
Yes but it has less carbs than burgers and fries I think. And less sugar than $1 frozen drinks. Anyway my dinner is often not paleo because my flatmate is cooking it.

stuck
02-01-2016, 10:40 PM
a cheat like that is that is the worst because of the gluten and will set you back like 6 weeks or something. I never understood why.

It's a gland that gets drained every time you don't express your primordial neo-liberal privilege, like not going 100% on an AMRAP or failing to ignore the supply chain of child slaves feeding you a steady stream of antioxidants.

JohnClay
02-02-2016, 05:31 PM
BTW I thought paleo people didn't have obesity then I saw this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Willendorf-Venus-1468.jpg/220px-Willendorf-Venus-1468.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Venus_von_Willendorf_01.jpg/200px-Venus_von_Willendorf_01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

stigmatica
02-02-2016, 07:25 PM
There's breading in KFC. That's not paleo.
I first read that as "breeding". Carry on.

stigmatica
02-02-2016, 07:28 PM
BTW I thought paleo people didn't have obesity then I saw this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

I imagine that was the ideal woman of the time/place. Ideal being the body that everyone wanted, but few succeeded in finding enough fruitloops to obtain.

GnarlFox
02-02-2016, 08:19 PM
BTW I thought paleo people didn't have obesity then I saw this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Willendorf-Venus-1468.jpg/220px-Willendorf-Venus-1468.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Venus_von_Willendorf_01.jpg/200px-Venus_von_Willendorf_01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

Boob bags and a primitive paper bag. That's a lot of work for a morbid sense of humor. Perhaps there's a deeper meaning behind the sack.