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baccheion
07-19-2016, 12:48 PM
(Everything is taken daily, unless otherwise stated)

DXM (Dextromethorphan-- aka-- Robitussin) :: 6.4mg per kilogram of body weight (once every 2 weeks-- by itself-- may leave you out of it for 5 hours, so it's good to take at a time when you can sit around not doing anything)

Memantine :: 10mg in the morning + 5-10mg at night (taper up 2.5mg every 3-4 days to avoid dissociation and other side effects)

Adrafinil :: 300 - 600mg (precursor to Modafinil-- literal Modafinil-- not something similar to it-- actual Modafinil-- can be hard on the liver-- takes 90 minutes to kick in-- but it's usually not relevant at this dosage and frequency)

Caffeine :: 200mg

PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide :: 100mg (2x / week)

N-Acetyl Semax Amidate :: 600mcg

N-Acetyl Selank :: 200mcg

300mg 5-HTP + 3000mg L-Tyrosine + 400mg EGCG (green tea extract, if you aren't one with the gene that will result in it destroying your liver)

Robitussin explicitly often has Acetaminophen mixed in, which can easily result in liver damage at the dosages mentioned here, so it's important to ensure you're getting pure DXM, rather than something mixed with other things. Also, Robitussin combined with MAOIs or SSRIs results in instant death. Therefore, it's important to research all of what's listed here (thoroughly) prior to attempting to administer them.

What effect will these things have? Many. They clear the static of your thoughts (OCD, etc), they result in a permanent stabilized intelligence increase (10 IQ points, or fluidity with what was already present), and they effectively eliminate one's inability to do things (procrastination). That's the key and corner stone of it all. It eliminates the procrastination problem!

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml

NedLudd
07-19-2016, 01:46 PM
Also, Robitussin combined with MAOIs or SSRIs results in instant death.

I'm on SSRIs and recently took robitussin, why aren't I dead? I want a refund

LordLatch
07-19-2016, 02:07 PM
I'm on SSRIs and recently took robitussin, why aren't I dead? I want a refund

submit the 700 page refund request form written in your own blood in triplicate and we'll see what we can do

baccheion
07-19-2016, 03:43 PM
I'm on SSRIs and recently took robitussin, why aren't I dead? I want a refund

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml#contraindications

Sappho
07-19-2016, 05:20 PM
What procrastination problem???

stuck
07-20-2016, 07:58 AM
I've been hammering adranfinil and noopept to get through a string of 16 hour mix sessions on <5 hours of sleep. Started to hallucinate the last day but got through otherwise unscathed.

Got a shipment of various racetams today- boy oh boy is phenylpiracetam strong.

I can't imagine doing dxm on all that other shit, yuck. Although I do drink on racetams and that's pretty silly.

stuck
07-20-2016, 08:01 AM
Adranfinil is also metabolized by your liver- definitely a terrible idea to mix it with acetaminophen.

notdavidlynch
07-20-2016, 12:08 PM
I've been hammering adranfinil and noopept to get through a string of 16 hour mix sessions on <5 hours of sleep. Started to hallucinate the last day but got through otherwise unscathed.

Got a shipment of various racetams today- boy oh boy is phenylpiracetam strong.


How do these compare to amphetamines?

baccheion
07-20-2016, 01:18 PM
Does Piracetam + Aniracetam help with musical creativity? Does the Adrafinil dull that creativity? What about 4-AcO-DMT (similar to Psilocybin) and the other things listed here ( https://trackmystack.com/nootropic-Creativity252FFluidity-Enhancer-1529 )?

Limes
07-20-2016, 07:21 PM
I think this mixture should be added to all watermelons.

stuck
07-20-2016, 07:29 PM
How do these compare to amphetamines?

far superior in that there's no rebound effect the next day. Also adranfinil doesn't feel "great", just awake, so I don't want to stay on it all the time.


Does Piracetam + Aniracetam help with musical creativity? Does the Adrafinil dull that creativity? What about 4-AcO-DMT (similar to Psilocybin) and the other things listed here ( https://trackmystack.com/nootropic-Creativity252FFluidity-Enhancer-1529 )?

Pira and prami seem to help goal seeking behaviour for me, whereas ani and oxi seem to enhance the perceptual beauty of things. All of them seem to kill the agitation of new information, including that agitation when you think of something to play (musically) and can't quite play it. I have no idea about the other drug.

I'm just trying out phenylpiracetam.

stuck
07-20-2016, 07:35 PM
Another facet which may be particular to me is that these drugs do seem to dull emotion, perhaps because of the anxiolytic quality, but also because perhaps of the agitation of the cholinergic system. That's not necessarily a bad thing for my creativity because it's information/action heavy, but it probably is extremely dependent upon the brain and task.

baccheion
07-21-2016, 10:06 AM
If anyone tries this, then please share how well (or not so well) it worked for you.

notdavidlynch
07-28-2016, 02:41 AM
far superior in that there's no rebound effect the next day. Also adranfinil doesn't feel "great", just awake, so I don't want to stay on it all the time.



I can buy Modiadol (Modafinil) here in CDMX for 600 pesos (28 x 200mg). Pull the trigger?

interprétation erronée
07-28-2016, 04:35 AM
(Everything is taken daily, unless otherwise stated)

DXM (Dextromethorphan-- aka-- Robitussin) :: 6.4mg per kilogram of body weight (once every 2 weeks-- by itself-- may leave you out of it for 5 hours, so it's good to take at a time when you can sit around not doing anything)

Memantine :: 10mg in the morning + 5-10mg at night (taper up 2.5mg every 3-4 days to avoid dissociation and other side effects)

Adrafinil :: 300 - 600mg (precursor to Modafinil-- literal Modafinil-- not something similar to it-- actual Modafinil-- can be hard on the liver-- takes 90 minutes to kick in-- but it's usually not relevant at this dosage and frequency)

Caffeine :: 200mg

PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide :: 100mg (2x / week)

N-Acetyl Semax Amidate :: 600mcg

N-Acetyl Selank :: 200mcg

300mg 5-HTP + 3000mg L-Tyrosine + 400mg EGCG (green tea extract, if you aren't one with the gene that will result in it destroying your liver)

Robitussin explicitly often has Acetaminophen mixed in, which can easily result in liver damage at the dosages mentioned here, so it's important to ensure you're getting pure DXM, rather than something mixed with other things. Also, Robitussin combined with MAOIs or SSRIs results in instant death. Therefore, it's important to research all of what's listed here (thoroughly) prior to attempting to administer them.

What effect will these things have? Many. They clear the static of your thoughts (OCD, etc), they result in a permanent stabilized intelligence increase (10 IQ points, or fluidity with what was already present), and they effectively eliminate one's inability to do things (procrastination). That's the key and corner stone of it all. It eliminates the procrastination problem!

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml

Remember that there is nothing new under the sun. I guarantee you sir that if you continue using this cocktail of substances you WILL damage your nervous system. I am talking to you from experience. Your physiology will adapt to those substances you mentioned and when you stop taking them it will be damaged and you will feel it. DXM is a dangerous substance especially when taken in small doses to enhance cognition. It's an insidious process because those abilities of which you take for granted and want to enhance will slowly degrade over time from abuse of this drug completely contradicting your initially innocent intentions. Psycho-motor skills will all but completely shut down. The condition of your memory will be reduced to Guy Pierce's from Momento (anterograde amnesia). Your emotional well being and the sense of self will erode away. You'll basically turn into a dumb autistic person. Which sucks because everyone knows the coolest ones mostly experience those vaunted precocious cognitive benefits of neuroatypicalness. As for the stimulants: nootropics and whatever else -- you're replacing your body's natural energy and the result is always putting your body in a state of disrepair. And since your body isn't a procrastinating, lazy, practitioner of poor stewardship it will fastidiously strive to repair itself but since you're constantly taking those substances you'll effectively provide the perfect conditions for disease and other emotional pathology to form. My suggestion is keep using the substances and find out the consequences for yourself. Failure is often the best teacher. Good luck. :D

Btw, even if you're only using those substances recreationally or just sometimes, you're still restructuring your brain's neurochemistry, and therefore how your genes function -- your genes are the key to everything btw. I have a problem with pornography. "Why is pornography bad if I just watch it sometimes, especially if there isn't visible evidence of it negatively impacting my life?" I and others too, have no doubt said before. Well let me tell you. If watching the pornography that's on the internet or the stuff available in stores nowadays doesn't negatively impact your life then there is definitely something wrong with you. But from reading online I've discovered that pornography, just like habitual drug use, perverts the normal functioning of the genes. And this creates wonderful conditions for pathology. I haven't the credibility nor the citations to back up what I've said.

I am absolutely extremely impulsive. I am a hypocrite. I'm so terribly lonely. I am unhappy. I am sad. I am poor. I am mentally and morally characteristically poor. I do not like my job. I am anxious. I am angry. I am fearful. I am delusional. I am guilty. I am glutinous. I am greedy. I am vain. I am selfish. I am jealous. I empty inside. I am... I am... etc. on-and-on. The problems are endless. We don't know how to take care of ourselves because there doesn't seem to be a manual anywhere. So what do we do.

The truth is we should pray and get to know Jesus. It's true or it isn't. Either way don't knock it until you try it. Looking at people in their eyeballs while they talk. I didn't like doing this. But heck it's totally awesome when you get the hang of it. Actually paying attention to both the emotional just as much as the verbal content of what people say is life changing. And the cue de gras is caring. You wouldn't believe how empathizing with people totally bridges the social divide in relationships and social interaction in general. You can literally measure people's quality of life based on their ability to connect with other people using these basic interpersonal traits. I'm glad I took the risk and learned them. Now it's all about getting better and learning to enjoy life more. I suggest taking a risk with Jesus. I learned recently that it was totally cool to talk about Jesus in the 60s and 70s. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't just social fads in response to political and economic injustice.

Psychologically I'm pretty damaged from heeeeeeeeeeeeeavy drug use, and I have several mental conditions for which I abused drugs to anesthetize the pain I felt from them of which I've only shared one -- ADHD. But I'm grateful that today I can drive a car, keep a job, and I have the prospect of transferring to attend university.

Recreationally abusing drugs is bad. But if you must, I suggest discretionary use of caffeine and its analogs. Because you're missing out on experiencing life the way it was intended. At least that's what I believe.

Lata'

stuck
07-28-2016, 04:55 AM
I can buy Modiadol (Modafinil) here in CDMX for 600 pesos (28 x 200mg). Pull the trigger?

i don't know if the benefits of modafinil vs adrafinil make it worth the premium of dragging it across a border. i'd try one dose first to see how much you like it.

baccheion
07-28-2016, 06:16 AM
Remember that there is nothing new under the sun. I guarantee you sir that if you continue using this cocktail of substances you WILL damage your nervous system. I am talking to you from experience. Your physiology will adapt to those substances you mentioned and when you stop taking them it will be damaged and you will feel it. DXM is a dangerous substance especially when taken in small doses to enhance cognition. It's an insidious process because those abilities of which you take for granted and want to enhance will slowly degrade over time from abuse of this drug completely contradicting your initially innocent intentions. Psycho-motor skills will all but completely shut down. The condition of your memory will be reduced to Guy Pierce's from Momento (anterograde amnesia). Your emotional well being and the sense of self will erode away. You'll basically turn into a dumb autistic person. Which sucks because everyone knows the coolest ones mostly experience those vaunted precocious cognitive benefits of neuroatypicalness. As for the stimulants: nootropics and whatever else -- you're replacing your body's natural energy and the result is always putting your body in a state of disrepair. And since your body isn't a procrastinating, lazy, practitioner of poor stewardship it will fastidiously strive to repair itself but since you're constantly taking those substances you'll effectively provide the perfect conditions for disease and other emotional pathology to form. My suggestion is keep using the substances and find out the consequences for yourself. Failure is often the best teacher. Good luck. :D

Btw, even if you're only using those substances recreationally or just sometimes, you're still restructuring your brain's neurochemistry, and therefore how your genes function -- your genes are the key to everything btw. I have a problem with pornography. "Why is pornography bad if I just watch it sometimes, especially if there isn't visible evidence of it negatively impacting my life?" I and others too, have no doubt said before. Well let me tell you. If watching the pornography that's on the internet or the stuff available in stores nowadays doesn't negatively impact your life then there is definitely something wrong with you. But from reading online I've discovered that pornography, just like habitual drug use, perverts the normal functioning of the genes. And this creates wonderful conditions for pathology. I haven't the credibility nor the citations to back up what I've said.

I am absolutely extremely impulsive. I am a hypocrite. I'm so terribly lonely. I am unhappy. I am sad. I am poor. I am mentally and morally characteristically poor. I do not like my job. I am anxious. I am angry. I am fearful. I am delusional. I am guilty. I am glutinous. I am greedy. I am vain. I am selfish. I am jealous. I empty inside. I am... I am... etc. on-and-on. The problems are endless. We don't know how to take care of ourselves because there doesn't seem to be a manual anywhere. So what do we do.

The truth is we should pray and get to know Jesus. It's true or it isn't. Either way don't knock it until you try it. Looking at people in their eyeballs while they talk. I didn't like doing this. But heck it's totally awesome when you get the hang of it. Actually paying attention to both the emotional just as much as the verbal content of what people say is life changing. And the cue de gras is caring. You wouldn't believe how empathizing with people totally bridges the social divide in relationships and social interaction in general. You can literally measure people's quality of life based on their ability to connect with other people using these basic interpersonal traits. I'm glad I took the risk and learned them. Now it's all about getting better and learning to enjoy life more. I suggest taking a risk with Jesus. I learned recently that it was totally cool to talk about Jesus in the 60s and 70s. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't just social fads in response to political and economic injustice.

Psychologically I'm pretty damaged from heeeeeeeeeeeeeavy drug use, and I have several mental conditions for which I abused drugs to anesthetize the pain I felt from them of which I've only shared one -- ADHD. But I'm grateful that today I can drive a car, keep a job, and I have the prospect of transferring to attend university.

Recreationally abusing drugs is bad. But if you must, I suggest discretionary use of caffeine and its analogs. Because you're missing out on experiencing life the way it was intended. At least that's what I believe.

Lata'

DXM is dirty and can easily become very dangerous. If too much is taken (more than 7.5mg/kg of bodyweight) or it's taken too often (more than once every 2 weeks), then it quickly becomes problematic. On the other hand, if it's not combined with anything, is kept under 7.5mg/kg of bodyweight and isn't taken more than once every 2 weeks, then it can be neutral to beneficial. Once every 2 weeks is the limit, not the frequency required. Some only have to do it once, period.

I'm curious to hear if any of these has worked for anyone.

interprétation erronée
07-28-2016, 05:34 PM
I feel you man.

As a side note, I'm convinced Christians make people afraid of God. "I already have stress why do I need more?" but I've found he takes it away.

baccheion
07-28-2016, 05:48 PM
I feel you man.

As a side note, I'm convinced Christians make people afraid of God. "I already have stress why do I need more?" but I've found he takes it away.

Are you the one (or among the ones) harassing me?

notdavidlynch
07-29-2016, 04:34 AM
i don't know if the benefits of modafinil vs adrafinil make it worth the premium of dragging it across a border. i'd try one dose first to see how much you like it.

I'm here for almost another month and it turns out I was wrong about the doses, it's 14 for 600 pesos instead of 28. Already bought it. Plan to use it here and then just order adrafinil powder when I get back.

Looked into making the stuff myself, but it's definitely not worth it (unlike other things).

interprétation erronée
07-29-2016, 03:27 PM
Are you the one (or among the ones) harassing me?

That was not my intention. Sorry you feel that way.

NedLudd
07-29-2016, 04:12 PM
Sometimes when I take Ambien, the sound of my AC turns into murmuring demons. I wonder if I took DXM + Ambien, I'd be able to see them too. I'm going to avoid DXM + Ambien + Modafinil though because I I'd probably wind up in the news after getting naked and attacking tourists in Times Square.

notdavidlynch
07-30-2016, 04:34 PM
Modafinil is a super weak stimulant, but I guess it does what it's supposed to do. I don't think it belongs with other schedule IV drugs like Xanax.

Of course, we all know that the CSA drug schedules don't make any sense.

baccheion
07-30-2016, 05:05 PM
Modafinil is a super weak stimulant, but I guess it does what it's supposed to do. I don't think it belongs with other schedule IV drugs like Xanax.

Of course, we all know that the CSA drug schedules don't make any sense.

Any stimulant effect isn't really what it's about. Also, while Modafinil helps with wakefulness and being able to crank through things for extended periods of time, that's not what it's about either. That is, INTPs are already generally able to concentrate for extended periods of time, especially when there's something that interests them. Modafinil specifically gets rid of the "inability to do things" procrastination problem and when combined with DXM (Robitussin), many things are simply no longer a problem. It isn't a good idea to use DXM more often than stated above, so then Memantine is substituted in for daily use.

stuck
07-30-2016, 07:46 PM
Modafinil is a super weak stimulant, but I guess it does what it's supposed to do.

Yeah try taking it after 6pm and see if you can sleep, lol.

The best use for that drug is on days when you don't get enough sleep.

notdavidlynch
07-30-2016, 08:12 PM
Modafinil specifically gets rid of the "inability to do things" procrastination problem

Not feeling it.


Yeah try taking it after 6pm and see if you can sleep, lol.

The best use for that drug is on days when you don't get enough sleep.

I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to sleep if I tried and I don't feel the nods - that's kind of what I mean by it "doing what it's supposed to". I'm taking it early every morning. I've read that it may be a viable treatment for "delayed sleep phase syndrome" AKA being a night owl. Set an alarm for when you'd like to wake up normally, begrudgingly wake up, pop it, and hopefully you'll be awake from there throughout the day and be tired enough to sleep after ~16 hours. This morning, however, I took 200mg on an empty stomach and proceeded to sleep for about 2 hours.

notdavidlynch
07-30-2016, 08:18 PM
I'm on SSRIs

God I hate those. In general, I kind of can't stand drugs that work on/like serotonin, including things like MDMA and Shrooms. Pure dopamine fiend.

I have a suspicion that a lot of thinking personality types may be the same, i.e. maybe you should tell your doctor that you're suicidal and can't keep an erection so that they'll give you an antidepressant that works more on dopamine and/or norepinephrine.

NedLudd
07-30-2016, 08:45 PM
God I hate those. In general, I kind of can't stand drugs that work on/like serotonin, including things like MDMA and Shrooms. Pure dopamine fiend.

I have a suspicion that a lot of thinking personality types may be the same, i.e. maybe you should tell your doctor that you're suicidal and can't keep an erection so that they'll give you an antidepressant that works more on dopamine and/or norepinephrine.

They work pretty well for me, but my problem is more with anxiety than depression. Not really any significant side effects besides some anorgasmia. Although after about 3 months in on them I do tend to become extremely impulsive. After that though it tends to stabilize.

stuck
07-30-2016, 08:48 PM
I suspect that a big reason I notice nootropics and adrafinil so significantly is because I live a very narrow life right now, where I do the same tasks over and over again.

I wouldn't want to get all zinged out on amphetamines because I'd have a big bout of depression that would affect my subsequent days. Nootropics are a lot gentler and amplify certain personality traits.

Another big example is weed. I could smoke 15 bong loads and then want to stay awake until 6 AM drinking coffee and eating donuts- I'd even get a lot done. However, it's probably not the smartest idea when I have a stack of tasks ahead of me that require a more sedately critical effort.

Nootropics even start to approach the feeling of creativity that I get from weed, but without the sluggishness, and with a greater sense of big-picture thinking.

Aurast
07-30-2016, 09:11 PM
How do these compare to amphetamines?

Not all that well short-term, IMO, but they are better long-term. Taking Adderall daily probably isn't a great idea, though I can't say I've tried, and certainly plenty of people do.

I also haven't tried noopept long-term, but I did notice significant improvements in focus using (the related substance) Piracetam long-term. Piracetam just makes it a bit easier to concentrate, and it makes you a bit more articulate. It's not something that jumps out at you, you have to keep a diary or something over a period of months and compare yourself to your former self. When you do so, you will notice a difference. I did, at least.

baccheion
07-30-2016, 10:36 PM
Not all that well short-term, IMO, but they are better long-term. Taking Adderall daily probably isn't a great idea, though I can't say I've tried, and certainly plenty of people do.

I also haven't tried noopept long-term, but I did notice significant improvements in focus using (the related substance) Piracetam long-term. Piracetam just makes it a bit easier to concentrate, and it makes you a bit more articulate. It's not something that jumps out at you, you have to keep a diary or something over a period of months and compare yourself to your former self. When you do so, you will notice a difference. I did, at least.

DXM or Memantine helps slow tolerance to Amphetamines (many take 40 mg Memantine with Adderall). Also, it helps eliminates many cravings and addictions.

NedLudd
07-30-2016, 10:39 PM
DXM or Memantine helps slow tolerance to Amphetamines (many take 40 mg Memantine with Adderall). Also, it helps eliminates many cravings and addictions.

You should be a doctor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIG2foMUAAETlkI.png

Aurast
07-31-2016, 12:25 PM
DXM or Memantine helps slow tolerance to Amphetamines (many take 40 mg Memantine with Adderall). Also, it helps eliminates many cravings and addictions.

What do I take once I get addicted to DXM too?

baccheion
07-31-2016, 12:54 PM
What do I take once I get addicted to DXM too?

A 2 week break between dosages?

notdavidlynch
08-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Recent evidence that modafinil enhances vigilance, working memory, impulse control, sustained attention and other cognitive parameters in healthy controls has also emerged [8, 9], though the degree of improvement is likely related to baseline intelligence such that little or no benefits are observed in people at the highest end of the IQ bellcurve.

Interesting. I was on for 3 days, doubling each day (100, 200, 400), but decided to cut it for a little while because I had a fever and diarrhea before starting because of sunburn/food poisoning, but am not sure if that's getting better because fever, headache, and diarrhea are common side effects of modafinil, amongst other horrible things.

stuck
08-02-2016, 06:30 PM
Interesting. I was on for 3 days, doubling each day (100, 200, 400), but decided to cut it for a little while because I had a fever and diarrhea before starting because of sunburn/food poisoning, but am not sure if that's getting better because fever, headache, and diarrhea are common side effects of modafinil, amongst other horrible things.

ugh, titrating that stuff sounds miserable. I really only use it in cases where my circadian rhythm gets fucked up, I guess- like "I'm fucked anyway, might as well be awake".

notdavidlynch
08-24-2016, 05:12 AM
More time spent with modafinil.

Overall, I say it has a very mild impact on productivity, a little better than caffeine. The effect on wakefulness isn't pronounced for me. I took 200 mg one morning recently because I wanted to be up, but I then slept for another 5 or so hours. I have similar problems with caffeine - I dubbed them "coffee naps".

This stuff just doesn't belong in the same convo as amphetamines.

No side effects.

MarkovChain
08-24-2016, 05:30 AM
I have similar problems with caffeine - I dubbed them "coffee naps".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5oMCvy1i0

Do you have fast dreams when you take a lot of caffeine?

avolkiteshvara
09-10-2016, 06:16 AM
The tolerance thing with DXM never worked for me. Got a cabinet full of dexies going to waste. I've heard great stories from others about modafinil. Personally didn't do much for me.

baccheion
09-10-2016, 07:56 AM
The tolerance thing with DXM never worked for me. Got a cabinet full of dexies going to waste. I've heard great stories from others about modafinil. Personally didn't do much for me.

It doesn't usually reverse tolerance, but rather slows development of tolerance. Did you try using it once Adderall (I'm assuming?) cleared out of your system? That is, once it's out of your system, and you're once again sensitized to its effects, then you can begin taking DXM or Memantine. This should allow you to experience the initial amphetamine effects longer, and slow the rate at which you increase the dosage.

Lurker
09-12-2016, 04:16 AM
(Everything is taken daily, unless otherwise stated)

DXM (Dextromethorphan-- aka-- Robitussin) :: 6.4mg per kilogram of body weight (once every 2 weeks-- by itself-- may leave you out of it for 5 hours, so it's good to take at a time when you can sit around not doing anything)

Memantine :: 10mg in the morning + 5-10mg at night (taper up 2.5mg every 3-4 days to avoid dissociation and other side effects)

Adrafinil :: 300 - 600mg (precursor to Modafinil-- literal Modafinil-- not something similar to it-- actual Modafinil-- can be hard on the liver-- takes 90 minutes to kick in-- but it's usually not relevant at this dosage and frequency)

Caffeine :: 200mg

PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide :: 100mg (2x / week)

N-Acetyl Semax Amidate :: 600mcg

N-Acetyl Selank :: 200mcg

300mg 5-HTP + 3000mg L-Tyrosine + 400mg EGCG (green tea extract, if you aren't one with the gene that will result in it destroying your liver)

Robitussin explicitly often has Acetaminophen mixed in, which can easily result in liver damage at the dosages mentioned here, so it's important to ensure you're getting pure DXM, rather than something mixed with other things. Also, Robitussin combined with MAOIs or SSRIs results in instant death. Therefore, it's important to research all of what's listed here (thoroughly) prior to attempting to administer them.

What effect will these things have? Many. They clear the static of your thoughts (OCD, etc), they result in a permanent stabilized intelligence increase (10 IQ points, or fluidity with what was already present), and they effectively eliminate one's inability to do things (procrastination). That's the key and corner stone of it all. It eliminates the procrastination problem!

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_basics.shtml

I don't get the point. Did your local drugstore have a clearance sale or something?

I have a friend who swears she has insomnia, so she takes massive doses of Remeron, gabapentin, and trazadone to sleep. Upon awakening 15-18 hours later (yes, really), she takes Provigil for her "narcolepsy." Maybe I really don't understand her situation. I certainly feel all judgy when I mull this cocktail over.

Differing circadian rhythms are normal; I can see how someone might operate on a 30-plus hour day rather than 24. I don't think that is always a "disorder."

baccheion
09-12-2016, 06:52 AM
I don't get the point. Did your local drugstore have a clearance sale or something?

I have a friend who swears she has insomnia, so she takes massive doses of Remeron, gabapentin, and trazadone to sleep. Upon awakening 15-18 hours later (yes, really), she takes Provigil for her "narcolepsy." Maybe I really don't understand her situation. I certainly feel all judgy when I mull this cocktail over.

Differing circadian rhythms are normal; I can see how someone might operate on a 30-plus hour day rather than 24. I don't think that is always a "disorder."

Adrafinil, PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide, Caffeine (or TheaCrine), and L-Tyrosine (or 350mg N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine) are the main supplements in the stack. I can also add in 1-2g Acetyl L-Carnitine. The problem is that tolerance can build to these things, and you're also trying to avoid addiction (to caffeine). This would make it something to use as-needed (every 3-4 days), rather than everyday. Maybe some will be able to take it regularly without developing a tolerance. TheaCrine may be a better addition than caffeine, if one can afford it, as it functions similarly without the negative effects.

N-Acetyl Semax potentiates stimulants, though I'm not sure the amidate version does the same. It was added in for its nootropic effects, so I'm only mentioning the other thing in the event someone wants to potentiate that strong combo even more (may not be necessary). N-Acetyl Selank (similar in structure to semax) evens out the stimulants with its anxiolytic effects.

DXM is a separate thing once every 2 weeks that people can take or leave.

300mg 5-HTP + 3000mg L-Tyrosine + 400mg EGCG is mainly to enhance serotonin and dopamine levels. I should've mentioned that L-Tyrosine shouldn't be taken at the same time as 5-HTP as they compete for absorption. Also, this triplet is something that may need to be cycled (taken for one month, then stopped for 2 months before starting again).

Memantine is a good addition that seems to help slow tolerance, but if its effects aren't desirable (which shouldn't really be a problem at 10mg), then that can be dropped as well.

I have updated stacks here: https://trackmystack.com/users/baccheion/

If you have comments about anything in the stack, then you should just share them. I somewhat threw this all together (to get it written down), but everything should be fairly well laid out. That is, I fully expect everyone will look into (research) each thing they consider using, so this is mainly just to get all the pieces needed on the table.

Lurker
09-12-2016, 08:51 AM
Adrafinil, PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide, Caffeine (or TheaCrine), and L-Tyrosine (or 350mg N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine) are the main supplements in the stack. I can also add in 1-2g Acetyl L-Carnitine. The problem is that tolerance can build to these things, and you're also trying to avoid addiction (to caffeine). This would make it something to use as-needed (every 3-4 days), rather than everyday. Maybe some will be able to take it regularly without developing a tolerance. TheaCrine may be a better addition than caffeine, if one can afford it, as it functions similarly without the negative effects.

N-Acetyl Semax potentiates stimulants, though I'm not sure the amidate version does the same. It was added in for its nootropic effects, so I'm only mentioning the other thing in the event someone wants to potentiate that strong combo even more (may not be necessary). N-Acetyl Selank (similar in structure to semax) evens out the stimulants with its anxiolytic effects.

DXM is a separate thing once every 2 weeks that people can take or leave.

300mg 5-HTP + 3000mg L-Tyrosine + 400mg EGCG is mainly to enhance serotonin and dopamine levels. I should've mentioned that L-Tyrosine shouldn't be taken at the same time as 5-HTP as they compete for absorption. Also, this triplet is something that may need to be cycled (taken for one month, then stopped for 2 months before starting again).

Memantine is a good addition that seems to help slow tolerance, but if its effects aren't desirable (which shouldn't really be a problem at 10mg), then that can be dropped as well.

I have updated stacks here: https://trackmystack.com/users/baccheion/

If you have comments about anything in the stack, then you should just share them. I somewhat threw this all together (to get it written down), but everything should be fairly well laid out. That is, I fully expect everyone will look into (research) each thing they consider using, so this is mainly just to get all the pieces needed on the table.

I think what people are working toward with the whole "stacking" thing is a customized approach, which is certainly a good goal. But, I think pharmacogenomics is the real deal. It's also a good idea to steer clear of combining a slew of drugs with relatively little medical knowledge (I assume) to combat a host of ills. Boost this or that, okay. But I think you need to be aware of drug interactions, blah blah.

A supplement hot in the early '90s -- a Chinese herbal remedy -- did indeed prompt weight loss in the women who took it. Organ failure is a great appetite suppressant.

If you are interested in antioxidants and such:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKE0v-RT_m0

I like the ACN channel in general. Forward thinking.

baccheion
09-12-2016, 01:36 PM
I think what people are working toward with the whole "stacking" thing is a customized approach, which is certainly a good goal. But, I think pharmacogenomics is the real deal. It's also a good idea to steer clear of combining a slew of drugs with relatively little medical knowledge (I assume) to combat a host of ills. Boost this or that, okay. But I think you need to be aware of drug interactions, blah blah.

A supplement hot in the early '90s -- a Chinese herbal remedy -- did indeed prompt weight loss in the women who took it. Organ failure is a great appetite suppressant.

If you are interested in antioxidants and such:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKE0v-RT_m0

I like the ACN channel in general. Forward thinking.

Hmm...

The combination of adrafinil, phenylpiracetam hydrazide, caffeine (or theacrine), acetyl L-carnitine, and N-acetyl L-tyrosine is synergistic. That is, they work well with each other to produce and accentuate desired effects. N-Acetyl Selank's anxiolytic effect helps prevent negative symptoms (jittery'ness, uneasiness, and/or outright anxiety) associated with stimulant use. N-Acetyl Semax Amidate is a good addition, though it's more directly nootropic than motivation enhancing.

Memantine is added in to help slow tolerance (to PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide), so one can take it or leave it. It also helps to reduce static in thinking (by being an uncompetitive NMDA antagonist).

5-HTP is added in to buffer against depletion, as it competes with L-Tyrosine or N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine for absorption (ie, extended supplementation with L-Tyrosine or N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine results in less 5-HTP or L-Tryptophan being absorbed). EGCG potentially prevents 5-HTP and L-Tyrosine (or N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine) from being converted to serotonin or dopamine in the intestines (by using up the associated enzyme), thereby increasing the odds more will make it to the brain.

Lurker
09-12-2016, 01:54 PM
Hmm...

The combination of adrafinil, phenylpiracetam hydrazide, caffeine (or theacrine), acetyl L-carnitine, and N-acetyl L-tyrosine is synergistic. That is, they work well with each other to produce and accentuate desired effects. N-Acetyl Selank's anxiolytic effect helps prevent negative symptoms (jittery'ness, uneasiness, and/or outright anxiety) associated with stimulant use. N-Acetyl Semax Amidate is a good addition, though it's more directly nootropic than motivation enhancing.

Memantine is added in to help slow tolerance (to PhenylPiracetam Hydrazide), so one can take it or leave it. It also helps to reduce static in thinking (by being an uncompetitive NMDA antagonist).

5-HTP is added in, as extended supplementation with L-Tyrosine or N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine blocks absorption of L-Tryptophan (as they compete for absorption), so it needs to be added back in. EGCG is prevent to prevent 5-HTP and L-Tyrosine (or N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine) from being converted to serotonin or dopamine prematurely (before it gets to the brain).

I am still missing the "why." Is this supplement stack intended to improve mood and energy?

I'm wary of the negative synergistic effects. In fact, I'm wary of supplements in general, excepting vitamin or mineral supplements targeted to correct a deficiency.

I take a magnesium supplement that contains around 2500% of the DV for pyridoxine, or vitamin B-6. The B vitamins are water soluble, so they aren't quite as dangerous as vitamin A, for example. But if I recall correctly, insanely high levels of one vitamin that competes with another can precipitate major problems. I do know the electrolytes work this way: potassium and sodium are one example, I think.

I had low mag, just wanted the magnesium, not the astronomical dose of b-6.

As for minerals, too much zinc depletes copper and vice-versa.

So...stacking lots of shit can be dangerous without knowledge of potential side effects, interactions, or even "why," it seems, is sort of risky imo.

baccheion
09-12-2016, 05:45 PM
I am still missing the "why." Is this supplement stack intended to improve mood and energy?

I'm wary of the negative synergistic effects. In fact, I'm wary of supplements in general, excepting vitamin or mineral supplements targeted to correct a deficiency.

I take a magnesium supplement that contains around 2500% of the DV for pyridoxine, or vitamin B-6. The B vitamins are water soluble, so they aren't quite as dangerous as vitamin A, for example. But if I recall correctly, insanely high levels of one vitamin that competes with another can precipitate major problems. I do know the electrolytes work this way: potassium and sodium are one example, I think.

I had low mag, just wanted the magnesium, not the astronomical dose of b-6.

As for minerals, too much zinc depletes copper and vice-versa.

So...stacking lots of shit can be dangerous without knowledge of potential side effects, interactions, or even "why," it seems, is sort of risky imo.

The goal of this stack is as stated in the thread title: kill procrastination. That is, it helps INTPs overcome their inability to do things.

As for vitamin B6, it would be better to get the active P-5-P version. I'm about to purchase this this B-Complex, as it seems to be of very high quality and uses the proper (and active) form of each b vitamin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00457C296 . I can then take 1, 2, or maybe even 3 per day depending on how I react to it. Proper forms and dosage is important. For magnesium, I'd say taking the glycinate/lysine chelated (or magnesium lotion) version for bodily needs and the l-threonate version for its ability to target the brain is the best combo. Then you can add in something like OptiZinc or Zinc Picolinate if you're male or have issues with zinc. Source Naturals OptiZinc has copper packaged with it, I believe, which effectively balances out whatever is depleted through competition for absorption.

Lurker
09-12-2016, 05:51 PM
The goal of this stack is as stated in the thread title: kill procrastination. That is, it helps INTPs overcome their inability to do things.

As for vitamin B6, it would be better to get the active P-5-P version. I'm about to purchase this this B-Complex, as it seems to be of very high quality and uses the proper (and active) form of each b vitamin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00457C296 . I can then take 1, 2, or maybe even 3 per day depending on how I react to it. Proper forms and dosage is important. For magnesium, I'd say taking the glycinate/lysine chelated (or magnesium lotion) version for bodily needs and the l-threonate version for its ability to target the brain is the best combo. Then you can add in something like OptiZinc or Zinc Picolinate if you're male or have issues with zinc. Source Naturals OptiZinc has copper packaged with it, I believe, which effectively balances out whatever is depleted through competition for absorption.

People who eat a highly processed diet may be deficient in zinc.

But, okay, I see. Cool. But, if procrastination is a huge problem, you should have a doctor check you out for depression, anemia, low-grade fever, etc. Just rule that stuff out first.

If you have been stacking (can I verb that?) for a long time, you may have toxic levels of [blank and blank], which could cause lassitude, which could cause one to procrastinate, which could.... ;)

Limes
09-12-2016, 06:46 PM
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baccheion
09-12-2016, 07:26 PM
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Heh, the insanity.

A video clip of him on YouTube is what made me look into Robitussin (as a means to clear out the harassment I was experiencing). It was a joke (Robitussin: the cure for all ailments), but it ended up working well. Now I take Memantine which works through similar means, but is better for long-term use. DXM (the primary ingredient in Robitussin) is an SRI (serotonin reuptake inhibitor), a mu/sigma opioid receptor agonist, and an NMDA antagonist, which are coincidentally the 3 main routes used to treat OCD. The problem is one needs 1.5mg/kg each day, but such a dosage can't be (safely) taken more than once per week. Either way, it worked and eventually I settled on Memantine (uncompetitive NMDA antagonist), N-Acetyl Selank (anxiolytic that also affects the mu/sigma opioid receptors), vitamin C, and on the option of also adding in 5-HTP.

Limes
09-13-2016, 05:37 AM
Heh, the insanity.

A video clip of him on YouTube is what made me look into Robitussin (as a means to clear out the harassment I was experiencing). It was a joke (Robitussin: the cure for all ailments), but it ended up working well. Now I take Memantine which works through similar means, but is better for long-term use. DXM (the primary ingredient in Robitussin) is an SRI (serotonin reuptake inhibitor), a mu/sigma opioid receptor agonist, and an NMDA antagonist, which are coincidentally the 3 main routes used to treat OCD. The problem is one needs 1.5mg/kg each day, but such a dosage can't be (safely) taken more than once per week. Either way, it worked and eventually I settled on Memantine (uncompetitive NMDA antagonist), N-Acetyl Selank (anxiolytic that also affects the mu/sigma opioid receptors), vitamin C, and on the option of also adding in 5-HTP.

Chris Rock is one of my favorites. I really like his bit about not eating the big piece of chicken and thanks a lot to dad for keeping the lights on etc, dad's don't get any credit!
Like him, I went to high school as a minority and I was also a class clown.

These cocktails are hopefully working out for you and not just placebo. I see you're still talking about tormentors and people out to get you though, but I guess it's more of a process to 'normalcy' than a panacea drug.

baccheion
09-13-2016, 07:06 AM
Chris Rock is one of my favorites. I really like his bit about not eating the big piece of chicken and thanks a lot to dad for keeping the lights on etc, dad's don't get any credit!
Like him, I went to high school as a minority and I was also a class clown.

These cocktails are hopefully working out for you and not just placebo. I see you're still talking about tormentors and people out to get you though, but I guess it's more of a process to 'normalcy' than a panacea drug.

The improvement I'm talking about is more a decrease in the amount and severity of harassment ("intrusive/accusatory thoughts") I experience. Also, with that interruption and annoyance lessened in intensity, I can finally begin to think clearly. I'm still being harassed, but it seems things are on the path to getting better, and soon I'll be clear enough to function-- and then function for extended periods of time. As for thinking someone did this to me, I will likely never let go of that opinion (unless I, with a clear/sane mind, look into things, and find it's not the case).

I'm not thinking that people are out to get me, but I still think someone did this to me, and that they continue.