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    Gee-zus ryan!

    After the mods go through all the trouble of splitting you off a Global Warming Denial thread, you still drop-off this 3 eyed baby on my doorstep???

    Hey kids, it's time to play: FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

    This is your basic Circle with a hard right Jerk.

    Spoiler: We have an item posted on The John Birch Society website,


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

    The John Birch Society (JBS) is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism and limited government.[1][2][3][4][5] It has been described as radical right.[6][5]

    Businessman and founder Robert W. Welch Jr. (1899–1985) developed an elaborate organizational infrastructure in 1958 that enabled him to keep a very tight rein on the chapters.[7] Its main activity in the 1960s, says Rick Perlstein, "comprised monthly meetings to watch a film by Welch, followed by writing postcards or letters to government officials linking specific policies to the Communist menace".[8] After an early rise in membership and influence, efforts by people like conservative William F. Buckley, Jr. and National Review led the JBS to be identified as a fringe element of the conservative movement, mostly in fear of the radicalization of the American right.[9][10]

    Originally based in Belmont, Massachusetts, it is now headquartered in Grand Chute, Wisconsin,[11] with local chapters in all 50 states. The organization owns American Opinion Publishing, which publishes the biweekly The New American.[12]


    Spoiler: About a report in a conservative British rag,


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph

    Political stance

    The Daily Telegraph has been politically conservative in modern times.[15] The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, along with the paper's generally right wing stance and influence over Conservative activists, have resulted in the paper commonly being referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph.[15] Even when Conservative support was shown to have slumped in the opinion polls and Labour became ascendant in them (particularly when leader Tony Blair rebranded the party as "New Labour" on becoming leader after the death of John Smith in 1994), the newspaper remained loyal to the Conservatives. This loyalty continued after Labour ousted the Conservatives from power by a landslide election result in 1997, and in the face of Labour election wins in 2001 and the third successive Labour election win in 2005.


    Citing a dude with a blog named Steve Goddard.
    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/s...ience-at-nasa/

    But there really isn't a dude named Steve Goddard. The dude's real name is Tony Heller.

    He is a frequent speaker at The Heartland Institute's annual Pows-wows for AGW denial.
    Let's just call these get-togethers: Comical-Cons

    LOL, even in the Comical-Cons write-up about the speakers, Tony Heller is the one without a picture.

    http://climateconference.heartland.org/speakers/

    Tony Heller (AKA Steve Goddard)

    Tony Heller has spent much of the past seven years studying the history of extreme weather, as well as the history and methodology behind the reported NOAA/NASA temperature record. Tony is an expert in computer graphics and high performance computing. He has a B.S. in Geology from ASU, and a Masters in Electrical Engineering from Rice University. He lives in Fort Collins, Colorado and blogs under the pen name of Steve Goddard.
    So now we come to the real important question:

    Spoiler: Who the fuck is The Heartland Institute?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute


    Funding

    The Heartland Institute does not disclose its funding sources. According to its brochures, Heartland receives money from approximately 1,600 individuals and organizations, and no single corporate entity donates more than 5% of the operating budget,[46] although the figure for individual donors can be much higher, with a single anonymous donor providing $4.6 million in 2008, and $979,000 in 2011, accounting for 20% of Heartland's overall budget, according to reports of a leaked fundraising plan.[47] Heartland states that it does not accept government funds and does not conduct contract research for special-interest groups.[48]

    MediaTransparency reported that Heartland received funding from politically conservative foundations such as the Castle Rock Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.[49] In 2011, the Institute received $25,000 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation.[17] The Charles Koch Foundation states that the contribution was "$25,000 to the Heartland Institute in 2011 for research in healthcare, not climate change, and this was the first and only donation the Foundation made to the institute in more than a decade".[50]

    Oil and gas companies have contributed to the Heartland Institute, including over $600,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005.[51] Greenpeace reported that Heartland received almost $800,000 from ExxonMobil.[23] In 2008, ExxonMobil said that they would stop funding to groups skeptical of climate warming, including Heartland.[51][52][53] Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, argued that ExxonMobil was simply distancing itself from Heartland out of concern for its public image.[51]

    The Heartland Institute has also received funding and support from tobacco companies Philip Morris,[36] Altria and Reynolds American, and pharmaceutical industry firms GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer and Eli Lilly.[47] State Farm Insurance, USAA and Diageo are former supporters.[54] The Independent reported that Heartland's receipt of donations from Exxon and Philip Morris indicates a "direct link"..."between anti-global warming sceptics funded by the oil industry and the opponents of the scientific evidence showing that passive smoking can damage people's health."[13]

    As of 2006, the Walton Family Foundation (run by the family of the founder of Wal-Mart) had contributed approximately $300,000 to Heartland. The Heartland Institute published an op-ed in the Louisville Courier-Journal defending Wal-Mart against criticism over its treatment of workers. The Walton Family Foundation donations were not disclosed in the op-ed, and the editor of the Courier-Journal stated that he was unaware of the connection and would probably not have published the op-ed had he known of it.[55] The St. Petersburg Times described the Heartland Institute as "particularly energetic defending Wal-Mart."[55] Heartland has stated that its authors were not "paid to defend Wal-Mart" and did not receive funding from the corporation; it did not disclose the $300,000+ received from the Walton Family Foundation.[55]

    In 2012, following the February 2012 document leak (see below) and a controversial advertising campaign, the institute lost substantial funding as corporate donors sought to dissociate themselves from the institute. According to the advocacy group Forecast the Facts, Heartland lost more than $825,000, or one third of planned corporate fundraising for the year. The shortfall led to the Illinois coal lobby sponsoring the institute's May 2012 climate conference – the "first publicly acknowledged donations from the coal industry".[34] Following the leak they also lost "a couple of directors and almost its entire branch in Washington, DC."[56]

    February 2012 document misappropriation

    In February 2012, environmentalist scientist and president of the Pacific Institute, Peter Gleick, obtained internal Heartland Institute documents by deceptive means, and divulged them, together with an additional document that he later claimed to have received from an unknown source, to public websites.[57] The documents contained the 2012 Heartland budget, a fundraising plan and board materials.[58] The documents disclosed the names of a number of donors to the institute – including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, tobacco companies Altria and Reynolds American, drug firms GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer and Eli Lilly, Microsoft, liquor companies, and an anonymous donor who had given $13 million over the past five years.[5][59] Some of the documents also contained details of payments to climate skeptics and financial support to skeptics' research programs, namely the founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), physicist Fred Singer ($5,000 plus expenses per month), geologist Robert M. Carter ($1,667 per month) and a pledge of $90,000 to meteorologist Anthony Watts. Carter and Watts confirmed receiving payments.[59] The documents also indicated that the institute planned to provide materials to teachers in the United States to undercut the teaching of global warming in schools.[17][59] The documents also appeared to disclose Heartland's plans for "Operation Angry Badger", in which $612,000 was to be allocated for activities related to Wisconsin's recall elections.[17] None of the documents were independently authenticated.[60]

    Heartland maintained that the documents, which were first published on Desmogblog, were fraudulently acquired and declared that the last document was a fake that had been fabricated with the purpose of defaming and discrediting the institute.[61][62] The Heartland Institute asserted that one in particular of the released documents, the "Climate Strategy Memo", was forged.[17][63] Following an inquiry, the Pacific Institute reinstated Gleick, an action that "implicitly backed Gleick's assertion that he was not responsible for creating a document labeled a fake by Heartland." The Heartland Institute branded this action as a "whitewash".[64]

    In support of Heartland's claims of forgery, The Atlantic editor Megan McArdle concluded that the offending document's mismatched metadata, unprofessional writing style and references to specific individuals made its authenticity extremely unlikely.[65]

    In the wake of the release, several environmental organizations called on General Motors and Microsoft – companies that had donated to the institute in the past – to sever their ties with Heartland; additionally, scientists previously attacked by Heartland called on it to "recognize how its attacks on science and scientists have poisoned the debate about climate change policy."[5]

    On February 16, Gleick resigned as chair of American Geophysical Union's Task Force on Scientific Ethics.[66] On February 20, 2012, Gleick said he was mailed the disputed strategy memo from an anonymous source. He admitted obtaining the other documents from Heartland by deceptive means, "in a serious lapse of my own professional judgment and ethics", and stated that "My judgment was blinded by my frustration with the ongoing efforts – often anonymous, well-funded, and coordinated – to attack climate science and scientists and prevent this debate, and by the lack of transparency of the organizations involved."[57]

    On February 22, 2012, Congressman Raϊl Grijalva requested a House Committee on Natural Resources hearing to investigate whether alleged Heartland payments to Indur Goklany, a senior adviser to the Interior Department, violated Federal ethics rules. Greenpeace also requested an investigation into this allegation on the same date.[67] Golklany told Politico he had previously cleared his activities with his department's ethics unit. On February 28, 2012, the Committee announced that it was planning to ignore Congressman Grijalva's request.[68]


    Also, it should be noted that if Goddard/Heller works his claims up into paper form, then this is just the sort of thing that The Heartland Institute pays a Bounty of $10.000 for.
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    Additional:

    The Heartland Institute's former preoccupation was helping the Tobacco Industry play a delaying game over taking responsibility and enduring a costly political mandate about the hazards of smoking.

    This all came to a head with RJR's Joe Camel ad campaign making smoking sex and the counter by the Clinton-Gore Administration's pledge to make Tobacco pay at the 1996 convention.

    This is an important perspective to remember and note.

    Big Tobacco was able to reap Million$ while the pseudo-science delaying action prevented the American public from being swayed into action on the facts.

    Same song - different tune.
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    I oppose any attempt to mitigate the effects of global warming though some scheme to deter the consumption of fossil fuels. No, free markets will reign and the government will keep out of our lives, no compromises. If that results in our extinction, I don't care. Instead, we will either adapt to the effects of global warming or research and develop new technology.

    Understood?

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    So... we can't adapt by collectively taking action via our governments? Somebody has to make a buck?


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    I rode home with shorts on today. The early part of June has been the warmest on record. The ski season was supposed to start this weekend but has been delayed because of no snow and the weather patterns have not been conducive to making it. Most of this is probably due to the incipient El Nino, but when you have had three frosts so far in the winter instead of 33 you have to wonder just how hot it will get...

    The comments in that Telegraph opinion piece were pretty funny. It was linked in the Grudge and all their Ameri-Kook readers jumped on to air their opinion on Obama and Gore...
    Last edited by jyng1; 06-26-2014 at 05:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    I oppose any attempt to mitigate the effects of global warming though some scheme to deter the consumption of fossil fuels. No, free markets will reign and the government will keep out of our lives, no compromises. If that results in our extinction, I don't care. Instead, we will either adapt to the effects of global warming or research and develop new technology.

    Understood?
    You're proud of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    I oppose any attempt to mitigate the effects of global warming though some scheme to deter the consumption of fossil fuels. No, free markets will reign and the government will keep out of our lives, no compromises. If that results in our extinction, I don't care. Instead, we will either adapt to the effects of global warming or research and develop new technology.

    Understood?
    Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment that was know as Camelot ~ Camelot the Musical by Alan Jay Lerner

    At the Center of the Shinning City was the Free-Market Bazaar and surrounding this were the stalls of the craftsmen making an honest coin or two. Beyond this were the shops of the artisans standing before the guilds buildings. Across the way were the opulent homes of the emerging middle-class.

    This utopia was like hungry fledglings being nurtured in the security of the nest provided by the armed fortifications of the City walls. And constantly re-energized and re-supplied by a system of improved roads that radiated outwards across the land to the secured borders.

    Thus in microcosm, the Free Markets have never been free.

    However, accurate information and the liberty to discover the facts, should ALWAYS be free. Denial/delay of this is the ultimate aim of the Big Money behind AGW denial

    The Wall Street Journal: Utilities Facing a “Mortal Threat” From Solar

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    Tony Heller (AKA Steve Goddard)

    Tony Heller has spent much of the past seven years studying the history of extreme weather, as well as the history and methodology behind the reported NOAA/NASA temperature record. Tony is an expert in computer graphics and high performance computing. He has a B.S. in Geology from ASU, and a Masters in Electrical Engineering from Rice University. He lives in Fort Collins, Colorado and blogs under the pen name of Steve Goddard.
    (Emphasis mine.) Denialists are often experts, but their expertise is not relevant to the subject they're denying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionzRevenge View Post
    Thus in microcosm, the Free Markets have never been free.
    "Free markets" can never be free. They are a mirage touted by ideologues. An unregulated system is inherently unstable and blows up, literally and figuratively. Any systems engineer will tell you what happens to an unregulated system (e.g., an amplifier without negative feedback). The trick to good systems design is to find just the right balance (a poorly understood and appreciated concept) between stability and responsiveness (e.g., gain and bandwidth). The problem is that economists are not systems engineers, and most politicians are dolts when it comes to anything technical. How many times do economists and politicians have to be wrong before someone holds them to task? Answer: Complexity is scary so most people prefer to be stupid. And, why should we force students to at least learn algebra? It's too hard!

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    You don't need to know algebra to understand the problems with unregulated markets. All you need is intuition, and some knowledge of history will help. Imagine a game in which anyone can play, and there are no rules and no referee. Or worse, there is a referee that is bribed or intimidated by the biggest players to rule in their favor.
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