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    Feminism VS Egalitarianism

    I understand why feminism is deemed necessary for sociological progression in oppressive regions (UAE, basically anywhere under Sharia law, and regions like Kyrgyzstan). But in North America, most of Europe, Australia and other developed parts of the world I don't think feminism is entirely necessary...

    I'm not a women, so I can't say what should or should not be deemed "beneficial" for the other gender; however I think egalitarianism is a more lucid -- and accepted -- approach to "equalizing" the common rights of both parties.

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    Biologically, women and men quite different, however it makes sense (IMHO) to hold both genders to the same standard when joining the military or local SWAT (in the US that stands for Special Weapons and Tactics, basically heavily armed and trained personnel). I actually met a female SWAT member on a police ride-along and she was incredibly impressive, only 5'4" but she passed every PT test and met the requirements. Keep in mind, when she is on the job she wears 70lbs+ of gear...

    Keeping women off of the front lines of an active combat zone is ridiculous, if they pass the same requirements that men are held to, but if the requirements are modified I think there is a valid argument for putting the most fit individuals in the most dangerous regions.

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    I don't know where I'm going with this, but why is feminism more popular than egalitarianism? It seems more rational and less radical (mainly due to the "femme" prefix in feminism).... If I felt oppressed I wouldn't take up the title "masculist" .

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    I've always considered myself an "egalitarian feminist." If you can do the job you can do the job, I don't care if you have a vagina or a penis or chartreuse horizontal stripes. If someone can pull your body from a burning house or get between you and the bullets from a bad guy are you really going to say, "Stop! You're a woman, you can't help me?" Come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip View Post
    If someone can pull your body from a burning house or get between you and the bullets from a bad guy are you really going to say, "Stop! You're a woman, you can't help me?" Come on.
    Won't my balls fall off if that happens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skip View Post
    I've always considered myself an "egalitarian feminist." If you can do the job you can do the job, I don't care if you have a vagina or a penis or chartreuse horizontal stripes. If someone can pull your body from a burning house or get between you and the bullets from a bad guy are you really going to say, "Stop! You're a woman, you can't help me?" Come on.
    That makes sense, but it wouldn't it make equal sense to just call yourself an egalitarian?

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    I posit that egalitarians, presently, are feminists by comparison to everyone who is neither an egalitarian nor a feminist. If your goals primarily require the elevation of women, then it follows that your goals are going to appear to be dedicated to the elevation of that group, therefore: feminist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I don't know where I'm going with this, but why is feminism more popular than egalitarianism? It seems more rational and less radical (mainly due to the "femme" prefix in feminism).... If I felt oppressed I wouldn't take up the title "masculist" .
    I dont really see the amount of radicalism as being an inherently good/bad thing, since radicalism is pretty subjective, and i think its merit/dismerit is open to question.

    But it could be that part of the issue is that egalitarianism carries with it a whole host of other social connotations that aren't necessarily the topics that wish to be discussed or tackled by feminists.

    I'm sympathetic to the general position of "gender abolitionists", for example, but I don't believe many would want to call me an egalitarian. You can see how the later might mean equality for a lot of other things in society, which are positions that I don't necessarily agree with or hold with regards to egalitarianism: wages, statuses, ranks, wealth, merit, heirachy, representation, blah blah blah.

    As such, it seems appropriate to designate feminism as something apart from egalitarianism, because they do not necessarily focus on placing emphasis on the same social issues, and one doesn't really imply the other in contemporary usage. (though there may be some correlation/sympathetic overlap in practice).

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    Feminism is simply englobed by egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is a broader term which can include other forms of equality, such as the erradication of class differences or racism, for example. I don't think it's a very useful term, personally.
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    Because Feminism is a discussion and movement about women's issues. In a world that is FOCUSED on men. The fact that people feel the need to constantly interject with "but what about the men?" is already a good reason why Feminism is needed. It's also reflection of current gender inequality. Egalitarianism presupposes that there is current equality that merely needs to be maintained.

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