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    Judas

    He's my favorite character, next to Julius Caesar.

    It's not just that he's inserted into the story to execute a critical mission, it's the tension created by his unshakeable will to reject Jesus and God.

    One would simply pass him off as coldhearted and single-minded, a cog in a machine...but in the end he reacts to his accomplishment by committing suicide and, consequently, being assigned to suffer in Hell.

    At first, I chalked the ending up to be a warning against anyone who thinks God's love and his power to forgive a sinner is limited by the judgments of other people or, more importantly, limited by one's judgment of himself. But now I'm not so sure.

    I'm not clear what it means at all these days, and maybe that's why I like the story.
    It makes the questions I ask about it interesting to me.
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    Judas didn't reject Jesus. He did what Jesus told him to do. It's all right there. Jesus says that one of them is going to go get him arrested, and picks Judas. Then Judas does his thing, but when Jesus is killed, he's overwhelmed. Possibly by the other disciples who weren't 100% in on the plan, possibly by his own grief (and not being 100% in on the plan), or possibly just a heavy handed measure to control loose ends--or possibly in retaliation from the officials he played to get Jesus arrested. Black ops shit is dangerous.

    Judas was an old school undercover gangster.
    I'm suspicious of people who say they'll die for a flag but won't wear a mask for their neighbor.

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    Judas was possessed by Satan twice ( http://www.apologeticspress.org/apco...6&article=2025 ) so he isn't very responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClay View Post
    Judas was possessed by Satan twice so he isn't very responsible.
    Are you speaking from experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sappho View Post
    Are you speaking from experience?
    Well I've never been possessed by Satan personally if that's what you mean. I don't even believe in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClay View Post
    Well I've never been possessed by Satan personally if that's what you mean. I don't even believe in him.
    So, surely Judas just had an overactive imagination, rather than being irresponsible as such.
    Die Logik ist keine Lehre, sondern ein Spiegelbild der Welt. Die Logik ist transcendental. - Wittgenstein

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    meh. Judas. just afraid. Happens...leads to more fear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrus View Post
    So, surely Judas just had an overactive imagination, rather than being irresponsible as such.
    The writer of those Bible verses said Judas was possessed by Satan. Judas didn't write the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClay View Post
    The writer of those Bible verses said Judas was possessed by Satan. Judas didn't write the Bible.
    How do you know?
    Die Logik ist keine Lehre, sondern ein Spiegelbild der Welt. Die Logik ist transcendental. - Wittgenstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrus View Post
    How do you know?
    Well Judas apparently died before the New Testament was written....

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