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    hobby lobby and the war on women

    This goes out to anyone who believes that feminism is only needed for "other" parts of the world.

    In a country that its citizens unironically consider the "free-est on earth," the supreme court has ruled that corporations have the right to decide whether their employees are allowed certain healthcare benefits based on "religious freedom." Naturally, the benefits in question are related to women, specifically to the ability to regulate their bodily functions with birth control.

    Last year, legislation was passed in several states that significantly reduced the availability of women's health clinics that provided abortion. Women were repeatedly shamed for desiring the right for abortions. One of the underlying arguments was that women who needed abortions were "irresponsible" for themselves, and had not made the appropriate precautions, such as using birth control.

    There are so many fundamental social problems here. They are not limited to women's health, but the driving force is directed at subjugating women. While amazing strides toward equality were made in previous generations, the last decade has seen brutal decline.

    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg made several brilliant dissenting remarks in the Hobby Lobby ruling, excerpts of which are widely available on online news sites. It's worth a read.

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    Employer-based health insurance is becoming increasingly absurd. The Supreme Court has heightened the contradictions again. It's like the right-wing majority of it are secret Leninists.
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    Another thing that I just thought of that made me mad- the last time I wanted to develop on domestic, traditionally feminine skills, my best source for tools (embroidery floss, canvas, hoop) was Hobby Lobby. The other "local" alternative was Walmart, and I ended up ordering off of Amazon.

    Even where I live now, where there are more craft stores, Hobby Lobby is the best source for fabric. Corporate America is eating itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Woolf View Post
    Employer-based health insurance is becoming increasingly absurd. The Supreme Court has heightened the contradictions again. It's like the right-wing majority of it are secret Leninists.
    Wait, can you explain this to a non-American secret leninist?
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    Heh. We've been here years now.

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    I'll bet any amount of money the health care policies carried by Hobby Lobby and other corporations DO cover viagra and erectile dysfunction meds for males. Even though that is NOT a life or death issue or even close to it, but rather one of convenience. Whereas pregnancy IS always a life or death issue, not kidding. Fuckers. Why does the media never ever ever bring this up, nor does the gov't. i am tired of paying for fuckers to get erections who should otherwise, think of other .. nm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madrigal View Post
    Wait, can you explain this to a non-American secret leninist?
    If I understand the theory, things have to get worse before they can get better. In this case worse is this bullshit, and better is single-payer health insurance for everyone, and employers are out of the picture.
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    Yeah, it's a pretty insane argument, if the idea is that corporations can have such a thing as religious freedom. The very idea of personhood of corporations is idiotic. I don't expect anyone here to disagree on that point.

    Disparate impact theory would seem to very clearly indicate this policy to be discriminatory.

    I'll need to actually read the rulings/opinions in order to have any sort of informed commentary beyond this.
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    What I have a problem with is the lack of tolerance. The concept that your employer can refuse to provide a type of medical care that you deem to be ethical, that is not illegal, is insane. The problem is that I don't know what to do about it. I am lucky that I have never had an employer who blocked access to any portion of my healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione View Post
    I'll bet any amount of money the health care policies carried by Hobby Lobby and other corporations DO cover viagra and erectile dysfunction meds for males. Even though that is NOT a life or death issue or even close to it, but rather one of convenience. Whereas pregnancy IS always a life or death issue, not kidding. Fuckers. Why does the media never ever ever bring this up, nor does the gov't. i am tired of paying for fuckers to get erections who should otherwise, think of other .. nm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwitch View Post
    Even where I live now, where there are more craft stores, Hobby Lobby is the best source for fabric. Corporate America is eating itself.
    I'm sorry. I've been to a Hobby Lobby. If your local Hobby Lobby is anything like the Hobby Lobby I have access to, it's an enormous store that is 95% overpriced shit--and I'm pretty sure the point of that is to make people who come in feel confident they can do better, and will then buy the supplies to make the attempt.

    Of the remaining 5% of items in the store some small portion approach quality, but best of luck finding it amidst all the wretched quality supplies. It took my father and I an hour or two just to find paintbrushes worth looking at.

    It's a crappy business whose owners pat themselves on the back for dominating their employees lives. But there's so much of that, it's hard for me to muster any extra antipathy. It's so pervasive.
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