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    Hmm. Can't tell if you're happy or sad.

    If Argentina is headed back into the socialist dumpster, maybe you can switch to getting paid in Chilean pesos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senseye View Post
    Hmm. Can't tell if you're happy or sad.

    If Argentina is headed back into the socialist dumpster, maybe you can switch to getting paid in Chilean pesos.
    Not happy, obviously, everyone just got poorer. The country can't be a perpetual hostage to the mood of the markets, the impact is too great.

    All my clients are from Argentina. Only one pays in dollars.
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    Heh. We've been here years now.

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    I’m surprised conservatives aren’t upset about this indefinite detention of migrants. Isn’t it costing us $200 a day per migrant (that’s at the low end, I’ve seen it as high as $750) to detain them? Seems a lot more expensive than letting them just come in and work like most of them want to. Hell, might as well put them up in hotels, it’s cheaper.

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    Why I hate America:

    Jail staff were condemned for leaving a pregnant woman to deliver a baby alone in a filthy jail cell. Diana Sanchez told workers at Denver County Jail in Colorado that she was in labor after he waters broke while in custody last August. Sanchez, who is now suing the city and county, begged for help – but was left on her own for the entirety of her six hour labor. Shocking surveillance camera footage obtained by KDVR shows the woman’s face contort with pain as she begins to give birth. Her baby – a little boy – eventually emerges onto the soiled bench his mother had been laying on.


    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/29/distr...Jc?ito=cbshare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    How about this one: ARKANSAS WOMAN DIES AS 911 OPERATOR MOCKS HER: "DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE FREAKING OUT"

    At one point the 911 operator berates Stevens for driving into the water.

    Stevens: "I'm scared. I've never had anything like this happen to me before."
    Dispatcher: "This will teach you next time don't drive in the water."
    Stevens: "Couldn't see it, ma'am. I'm sorry, or I wouldn't have."
    Dispatcher: "I don't see how you didn't see it. You had to go right over it, so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    That's just ridiculous... and heart breaking.

    If any dispatcher basically killed my family like that, through obvious neglect, I'd hunt them down and wring their neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    That's just ridiculous... and heart breaking.

    If any dispatcher basically killed my family like that, through obvious neglect, I'd hunt them down and wring their neck.
    They didn't kill anyone. They didn't neglect anyone. They were just an asshole.

    Per the article, the woman drowned because her situation proved too difficult for the responders:

    Authorities responded to the scene 12 minutes after Stevens first called 911, but because of the floodwaters, it took more than an hour for anybody to reach Stevens' vehicle. By the time police and firefighters were able to secure the car, Stevens had drowned.
    Doesn't mean I wouldn't get in line to kick the former dispatcher in the liver. People don't generally die from being kicked in the nads, but a fractured liver will flood the body with all the toxins the liver has been filtering out, and overstimulate the vagus nerve which will leave them violently ill. Then it will lead to internal bleeding requiring medical attention because the liver has a lot of blood to ooze. Furthermore, it's gonna hurt like a motherfucker and knock the wind out of them. They'll spend the first five minutes or so unable to breathe, nauseated, and in blinding pain--assuming they don't lose consciousness outright from the pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    Hey, that's my town! And you think that's bad? We literally work our slaves to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    They didn't kill anyone. They didn't neglect anyone. They were just an asshole.

    Per the article, the woman drowned because her situation proved too difficult for the responders:



    Doesn't mean I wouldn't get in line to kick the former dispatcher in the liver. People don't generally die from being kicked in the nads, but a fractured liver will flood the body with all the toxins the liver has been filtering out, and overstimulate the vagus nerve which will leave them violently ill. Then it will lead to internal bleeding requiring medical attention because the liver has a lot of blood to ooze. Furthermore, it's gonna hurt like a motherfucker and knock the wind out of them. They'll spend the first five minutes or so unable to breathe, nauseated, and in blinding pain--assuming they don't lose consciousness outright from the pain.
    It was basically manslaughter, she didn't ask the correct questions, suggest the right steps, or dispatch the appropriate response.

    Here in the UK that should most definitely have resulted in Fire men & Helicopter being dispatched.

    In the meantime I think the advice should have been "Try to break the window, I know you can't swim, but today's the day you're going to have to learn to.... Stay on your back and float"

    So much more could have been done in that situation.... and yeah, I've listened to enough of our UK emergency call handlers to know that was fucking piss poor and for reasons beyond simply lacking empathy and encouragement.


    The woman would of had a better chance of survival if i'd picked up the damn phone.

    Americans seem so damn uncivilised in comparison to Europeans, your standards for like almost anything are astoundingly low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    It was basically manslaughter, she didn't ask the correct questions, suggest the right steps, or dispatch the appropriate response.

    Here in the UK that should most definitely have resulted in Fire men & Helicopter being dispatched.

    In the meantime I think the advice should have been "Try to break the window, I know you can't swim, but today's the day you're going to have to learn to.... Stay on your back and float"

    So much more could have been done in that situation.... and yeah, I've listened to enough of our UK emergency call handlers to know that was fucking piss poor and for reasons beyond simply lacking empathy and encouragement.


    The woman would of had a better chance of survival if i'd picked up the damn phone.

    Americans seem so damn uncivilised in comparison to Europeans, your standards for like almost anything are astoundingly low.
    If the flood was strong enough to pull her car, she probably would have drowned even if she got out of the car; it just would have taken longer to find the body.

    I rather doubt a helicopter is available in Fort Smith Arkansas, and given they were in the middle of an ongoing flood, it's unlikely the victim was the only person in need of assistance. In fact, in the very beginning of the audio, and later during the audio, that is something the dispatcher relates: she doesn't have someone to send, and she has lots of other calls. The truth of those statements isn't something I have the ability to verify, so I assume they are true: innocent until proven guilty.

    That dispatcher has a script of queries. From my experiences with emergency services, all but the one verifying the victim's occupation would have been on script. The dispatcher's main focus was getting identifying information and a location. If she can't tell people where to go, she can't tell them to go there and help.

    I can't say why they didn't advise about how to escape a submerging car, though I'd guess either ignorance, the belief that that might make it harder to find the woman, or not realizing the waters were deep enough to drown her. If the dispatcher got blinded by the assumption that the waters were only at the woman's window, then it would make sense to have the woman stay with her car. If the floodwaters pulled her car, she'd definitely be ripped away by them. Hard to say if that would have had a better outcome or if all it would have done was make finding the body take longer.

    But I can say what I think would happen if the dispatcher not telling them to break the window and jump into the floodwaters was grounds for a manslaughter charge: no one would take the job, and any current dispatchers with a brain in their head would quit.
    Last edited by Hephaestus; 09-01-2019 at 07:39 AM.
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