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    Ethical Dilemmas

    An invitation to discuss the dilemmas presented or to conjure your own. -

    Supposing you are a great scientist, living in a world that is evidently doomed in a cultural and political sense. You are the only one capable of conducting a certain research that will benefit humanity in the long run. You also possess a keen political understanding and possibly the clout to gather like minds and avert the impending doom of your society; however, once you do go into politics, your scientific work will be scandalised and disregarded by the public forever.

    What to do - to continue your research for the benefit of a culture which may not survive the next century, or to engage yourself politically, losing all recognition for your previous and future work?

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    I'd like to say I'd give a rational cost-benefit analysis and choose whichever gives the best chance of the culture's survival (including the question of "is it worth saving?"), but I'd likely fall into whichever role better suits my personality.

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    it probably depends on which role is more needed, and who else is there to fulfill these roles. if i understand what's going on, chances are i'm not alone, so i'd try to prioritize reaching out to these other people first and figuring out what we need to do.

    personally, i'd probably like to be able to stick with science, and if my political understanding is really that great it wouldn't seem like a choice but an obligation to advocate for what needs to be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sappho View Post
    An invitation to discuss the dilemmas presented or to conjure your own. -

    Supposing you are a great scientist, living in a world that is evidently doomed in a cultural and political sense. You are the only one capable of conducting a certain research that will benefit humanity in the long run. You also possess a keen political understanding and possibly the clout to gather like minds and avert the impending doom of your society; however, once you do go into politics, your scientific work will be scandalised and disregarded by the public forever.

    What to do - to continue your research for the benefit of a culture which may not survive the next century, or to engage yourself politically, losing all recognition for your previous and future work?
    Neither. Let the world burn. Not my responsibility to fix it. Hermit's life for me.

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    A "world that is evidently doomed in a cultural and political sense" isn't motivation enough to stir me out of ambivalence as I regard such abstractions as constantly being torn down and built up again all the time anyway and lacking in any solid pertinence outside the human heads where they hold sway. (not that this is not a force that must be reckoned with as one would any other maladaptive pathology -- it just helps to see it for what it is rather than what it purports to be)

    Therefore something that might be of real and practical benefit to a large number of human organisms would be my default and dilemma-less choice regardless what bouts of collective insanity that might make it seem insignificant.
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    Neither, I do not believe in a Kobayashi Maru. I would use my science to clone a Kim Kardashian to be my mouth piece and cultural liaison, then trot her out naked and greased up to espouse my scientific brilliance capturing the minds of the lemmings who I then turn against the politicians, ejecting them into space. As new Emperor of the planet I will rule with an iron, but fair fist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sappho View Post
    An invitation to discuss the dilemmas presented or to conjure your own. -

    Supposing you are a great scientist, living in a world that is evidently doomed in a cultural and political sense. You are the only one capable of conducting a certain research that will benefit humanity in the long run. You also possess a keen political understanding and possibly the clout to gather like minds and avert the impending doom of your society; however, once you do go into politics, your scientific work will be scandalised and disregarded by the public forever.

    What to do - to continue your research for the benefit of a culture which may not survive the next century, or to engage yourself politically, losing all recognition for your previous and future work?
    If you don't go into politics, then your scientific discoveries will be used to the detriment of society, not to its benefit.

    Which reminds me.

    Well, he tried.
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    Heh. We've been here years now.

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    If this was ancient Athens or Rome there would be no dilemma. Public life (i.e., politics) always came first there.
    Your gardening sucks and your avocados ain't fruitin'. -- Sappho the Maestro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madrigal View Post
    If you don't go into politics, then your scientific discoveries will be used to the detriment of society, not to its benefit.

    Which reminds me.

    Well, he tried.
    I had one question on my mind while reading that article. I was very disappointed when, near the end, the question was asked but never answered.

    The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stigmatica View Post
    I had one question on my mind while reading that article. I was very disappointed when, near the end, the question was asked but never answered.
    I wouldn't want to hijack the thread with that debate. Maybe if it was its own thread. At the same time, it's hard to keep believing it matters at all how I answer those questions anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    Heh. We've been here years now.

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