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    If you would put up a school, what kind of school would you put up?

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    I've spent a lot of time daydreaming about putting up a school and then dreaming about what kind of system I'd use in that school. Just watching the quickly deteriorating standard of education everywhere frustrates me. Now I'm watching my son grow up in a horribly broken school system. It infuriates me that I have to re-teach my son and make him un-learn stupid things his school teaches him. I want to pull my hair out that I'm wasting money sending my kid to school and then when he goes home I find out I have to teach him myself because he isn't learning in school (or he's learning the wrong things).

    Sometimes I wish I can home school him. But then reality hits home. How do I find time to home school him if I'm working? Goddamit. Sometimes the need to live gets in the way of the need to raise your kids.

    One thing I'd definitely do if ever I put up a school is do away with hieararchial teaching/learning. Then stop with the indoctrination and start with teaching kids HOW to learn, not WHAT to learn.

    I would put emphasis on learning skills and discovering talents. Tests would be used simply as disgnostic tools, not as progress markers. And for the love of god, I'd do away with grades entirely.
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    This is something where lately I've actually been putting my time and money where my mouth is.

    My idea sounds like something you might be interested in, although it's not a school.

    The idea is to create a place which is something like a community laboratory and garage. Lots of computers, tools, spare parts, high-speed Internet connection, chemicals, materials, books and manuals. etc. under one roof combined with a culture of learning and experimentation. We have events where there's a definite lesson-plan but mostly it's very self-directed by the participants.

    However this is entirely outside of traditional school, and it's all opt-in.
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    My first thought is a university in the style of a popular university that teaches from an anti-imperialist and socialist perspective, which we have here (set up by an organization of mothers who lost their children to the last dictatorship), but then I think, shit, people finish high school without even being able to write. They don't know how to write an essay, defend a point of view, they can barely even write a letter. I would like to set up an after school program where kids can learn reading comprehension, writing, debating and public speaking.
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    A school of proper and applied philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptah View Post
    A school of proper and applied philosophy.
    what do you mean by this?
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    Employers wouldn't hire someone who graduated from a school that doesn't assure students learned. How to learn and testing for skills combined is less than one subject. I'd do the opposite of the OP. My school would be test heavy. It would be a non-profit experimental school for poor students or students in dangerous areas that have underperforming schools. Typical size classes with more attention to students at the same time, which can be achieved by putting everything needed to be learned in especially concise, well written books to make it easy for a student to catch up on his own if things weren't idiot-proof enough in class due to more attention given to the students who really need it. It would have extended hours to keep kids off the streets. No homework. Emphasis on making kids employable, which means as little history, literature, and other low employment value subjects as a school could get away with, except there would be good health and safety instruction. Drug and alcohol tests, cameras, and metal detectors. One goal would be to get other schools to work the same way once they see it works.

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    School of Hard Knocks.

    In seriousness though, I'd like to start more of a think tank dedicated to researching attempting to apply solutions to current social and political problems. For example, ways that a society envisioned by Marx could be realized, including exactly the sort of laws and methods that would be required to prevent something like the Soviet Union from happening again. As well as the practicalities of how to go from here to there. There's too many political parties around the world that are simply pushing an agenda rather than coming up with actual ideas, that needs to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarIII View Post
    Employers wouldn't hire someone who graduated from a school that doesn't assure students learned.
    i would. thinking as an employer, i could care less about my employee being learned or not. all i'd care about is that they can do the job i want them to do.
    I'd do the opposite of the OP. My school would be test heavy.
    i don't understand how you came to the conlusion my school would not have any tests or would be test-lite.

    i said tests would be used as a diagnostic tool, not as progress markers.

    to explain this to you, since you seem unable to understand it, what i mean is using tests to find out if students are learning. and not using tests as a means to rank students or grade them.

    there are no grades in my school. and tests have no other use except as a way to find out if students are learning or not.

    but you can bet my school would be test heavy. literally every day students would be tested on what they have studied. students would be tested the hell out. not only to test for what they have learned, but to test for their aptitude and talents as well.
    Loneliness isn't being alone with no one to talk to. Loneliness is being surrounded by so many people, none of whom sees the real you. Loneliness isn't an island. It's a sea of people moving through you and past you. It's a storm of empty days and empty moments, going through the motions and hoping that just for one day your emptiness is filled.

    Loneliness isn't a state of being alone, but a state of not being fully understood.

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    non-hierarchal school(s) where people can form networks that allow them to get what they actually need (seems very necessary unless/until govt slowly comes around to caring). right now i'm thinking along the lines of food justice, just one example. lots of people due to costs and location live off junk and fast foods, don't have access to fresh healthy produce and can not afford (in more ways than one) to have some whole foods-type store built in their neighborhood, which means they develop health problems throughout their life that are easily preventable. the school provides the resources and education to allow people to be self-reliant and develop & sustain a community economy that produces / creates access to good quality food which enriches the health of everyone.

    i was also thinking of an alternative school/library/studio specifically for media creators (as opposed to the privatized art school system many career-creators come from), a place to become educated on art/media history and theory, where you can also borrow & share every sort of media production tool/technology under the sun as long as it's for advancing social justice in some way. ime these tools are becoming increasingly inaccessible, advanced and professionalized. it's important this isn't in some wealthy white neighborhood though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    what i mean is using tests to find out if students are learning. and not using tests as a means to rank students or grade them.
    So it will be pass or fail with nothing in between? A slow learner will look equal to everyone else who graduates? What will your school teach?

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