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    Silk Road's Life Sentence

    Silk Road's Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison. Another source I read said he will not be eligible for parole. Yeah I read Buzzfeed news, what of it.

    Is the sentencing fair? Are the mechanics of a 'dark web' threatening enough to society that a strong deterrant message needs to be sent? Also consider this a fluff thread to talk about any of your Silk Road experiences.

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    There's also the little matter of attempted murder, according to what I've read on Wired. Maybe it isn't perfectly fair but it can't be far off.

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    I think it's a dangerous precedent to use testimony from people who've been harmed through the use of the Silk Road as evidence against the maker of it. He created a network, people did what people do. I think the ol' "Disney suing Crayola because children used crayons to draw Mickey Mouse" applies.

    This mainly applies to the comments about testimony of people who OD'd on things purchased via the Silk Road. I think he should only be culpable for the actual crimes he committed. If he actually hired hitmen to kill people who threatened the Silk Road, that's a real crime for which he should be prosecuted. Likewise for any fraud he himself committed, or any provable acts of trafficking or illicit substance sales that he himself did.

    But to hold him accountable for what other people chose to use his platform for, and the consequences of their choices, is absurd.

    It is, however, a very typical sort of political reaction to seek a scapegoat.


    Edit: if we're going to hold Ulbright culpable, I think it's way past time to indict all city planners. They made those neighborhoods, they ordered the creation of those streets, corners and alleyways. If Ulbright is responsible for the actions of users of the Silk Road, then the city planners are responsible for every drug deal, act of prostitution, hired killing, kidnapping, mugging, and sexual or physical assault that happens on the streets they platted, built and maintain. If those streets and buildings weren't there, by the logic of this circus, there would be no crime and everyone would live happy healthy lives.
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    This whole thing is so grey and murky... I'm well apprised of all aspects of this trial, but still I find it difficult to pass judgement on his sentence, or Ulbricht.

    I will say that life without parole seems too harsh a sentence for his transgressions; I could see ten to thirty years being more acceptable, only because of his attempts to hire assassins on six occasions. He created a truly free marketplace, one without restriction (well, weapons were banned along with child porn and WMDs) for drug users and distributors... really, the government should be thanking him for that -- who knows how many lives this man saved by creating a legitimate/safe system for international drug commerce.

    People should be free to do/buy/sell/make any drugs they wish, as long as the effects do not harm others -- the freedom to alter your own consciousness should be sacred (and protected by laws as such), yet it is so taboo to our current culture that shit like this springs up.

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    No pity. Whatsoever.

    I knew he'd get life.
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    The sentence is a red herring. All drugs should be legalized.

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    “What you did in connection with Silk Road was terribly destructive to our social fabric,” Forrest said.

    Should be:
    “What you did in connection with Silk Road was terribly disruptive to our social fabric,” Forrest said.

    And about damn time, I say.

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    I'm not all that clear on the mechanics of what he was trying to do. Was he trying to cutout the middle man? Was he running sort of a napsteresque site for pharmaceuticals? Was there some type of gray area he was trying to work under, sorta like the old laws of offshore gambling sites? Even if you take away the most egregious extra curricular activities, I didn't see that he set up something that beat the system. Just cuz he's not using 12 year old impoverished kids as runners, I don't see how he did anything that was any less illegal. What was he trying to argue?

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    I think his punishment should have been in line with that of any other drug trafficker who moved as much drugs as he did. I have no idea what kind of punishment we're giving out for that these days or how much product was exchanged via silk road because that's just not my scene. I don't think he should have been sentenced for hiring hitmen, considering those charges were dropped. I feel like the fact that the judge brought that up in the sentencing gives him pretty good grounds for appeal. Generally, I'm not a fan of the criminal justice system making an example of people because I don't think it's that much of a deterrent. I do think that his getting caught may be a deterrent to other people who are doing illegal shit on the internet, who think they're anonymous and untraceable, and that's a good thing. I am not a big fan of people hiding behind internet anonymity.

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    The judge also said there was "no doubt" that Ulbricht paid for murders of those who had threatened Silk Road. Prosecutors had charged Ulbricht with commissioning six murders-for-hire but those charges were dropped and there is no evidence that these murders were ever carried out.
    Yeah, if they don't throw out his sentence I will lose what little faith I had remaining in our judicial system.

    I'm not saying he's a saint or anything but I think he's pretty much a martyr. Drugs should be legal, show trials like this are stupid and putting him in prison is going to accomplish absolutely nothing. I would rather my tax dollars go toward launching and operating Silk Road 2 than to making this guy's life miserable for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    Edit: if we're going to hold Ulbright culpable, I think it's way past time to indict all city planners. They made those neighborhoods, they ordered the creation of those streets, corners and alleyways. If Ulbright is responsible for the actions of users of the Silk Road, then the city planners are responsible for every drug deal, act of prostitution, hired killing, kidnapping, mugging, and sexual or physical assault that happens on the streets they platted, built and maintain. If those streets and buildings weren't there, by the logic of this circus, there would be no crime and everyone would live happy healthy lives.
    That's ridiculous. Ulbright was getting a 10% cut of every sale that went through his market. Also, he tried to have people murdered. So, to make your analogy more in line with what we're discussing, I think any city planner who has all of the drug dealers in their city tithing them 10% of sales and a city planner who then hires hitmen? Yeah that person should go to jail.
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