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    Discuss the neoreactionism (NRx) movement

    Just ran across this: http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind

    Still digesting...I'm betting it will make for an interesting thread.

    Land’s case for democratic dysfunction is simply stated. Democracy is structurally incapable of rational leadership due to perverse incentive structures. It is trapped in short-termism by the electoral cycle, hard decisions become political suicide, and social catastrophe is acceptable as long as it can be blamed on the other team. Moreover, inter-party competition to “buy votes” leads to a ratchet effect of ever-greater state intervention in the economy—and even if this is periodically reversed, in the long-run it only moves in one direction. In the U.S., racialized poverty makes this dynamic even worse. Because small-government solutions will always have a disparate impact on minorities, they will be interpreted and stigmatized as racist. Laissez-faire, in this view, is doomed to failure as soon as it’s up for a vote. Rather than accept creeping democratic socialism (which leads to “zombie apocalypse”), Land would prefer to simply abolish democracy and appoint a national CEO.
    Capitalism, in this view, is less something we do than something done to us. Contra business-class bromides about the market as the site of creative expression, for Land, as for Marx, capitalism is a fundamentally alien institution in which “the means of production socially impose themselves as an effective imperative.” This means simply that the competitive dynamics of capitalism drive technical progress as an iron law. If one capitalist doesn’t want to build smarter, better machines, he’ll be out-competed by one who does. If Apple doesn’t make you an asshole, Google will. If America doesn’t breed genetically modified super-babies, China will. The market doesn’t run on “greed,” or any intentionality at all. Its beauty—or horror—is its impersonality. Either you adapt, or you die.
    As the sci-fi author and artist Doug Coupland recently put it in the FT:

    The darkest thought of all may be this: no matter how much politics is applied to the internet and its attendant technologies, it may simply be far too late in the game to change the future. The internet is going to do to us whatever it is going to do, and the same end state will be achieved regardless of human will. Gulp.
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    When they elect their CEO of the USA, I will at least have the satisfaction of a big lolz when he buys the loyalty of a few large corporations in key sectors of the economy by giving them certain market privileges. Then they'll say "What happened to free enterprise?"

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    The problem is, and always will be, the idiots. There's no idiot proof system of government.
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    I don't get out much so maybe it's just me, but I don't recognize a movement that matches the description that was given:

    So what is neoreaction, then, exactly? For all the talk of neo-feudalism and geeks for monarchy, it’s less a single ideology than a loose constellation of far-right thought, clustered around three pillars: religious traditionalism, white nationalism, and techno-commercialism (the names are self-explanatory). This means heavy spoonfuls of “race realism,” misogyny, and nostalgia for past hierarchies, leavened with transhumanism and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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    I'll stick with the C- people we elect rather than roll the dice on an F monarch, even if having an A+ Augustus in charge can be freaking amazing.

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    I guess a Bob Jones University MBA male graduate from the Big 80s would feel comfortable in the middle of the three circles. But that would have been era Fundamentalist Christian in a nutshell.

    The man is the head of the household.
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    I dunno it mostly makes me hungry for mass-produced pancakes. I hope they're the kind with an assload of vanilla flavoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionzRevenge View Post
    I don't get out much so maybe it's just me, but I don't recognize a movement that matches the description that was given:

    So what is neoreaction, then, exactly? For all the talk of neo-feudalism and geeks for monarchy, it’s less a single ideology than a loose constellation of far-right thought, clustered around three pillars: religious traditionalism, white nationalism, and techno-commercialism (the names are self-explanatory). This means heavy spoonfuls of “race realism,” misogyny, and nostalgia for past hierarchies, leavened with transhumanism and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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    I'm think this is where my reflection on this is taking me. I mean, I read the whole article, and while, like most good psuedo intellectual bullshit, there are a few interesting observations, I'm not left with a clear picture of anything. I still don't understand what NRx is. I'd never even heard of it prior to reading the article. Here's my stab at a thesis statement for the article: capitalism + technology creates an environment in which only assholes will thrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyJungle View Post
    I'll stick with the C- people we elect rather than roll the dice on an F monarch, even if having an A+ Augustus in charge can be freaking amazing.
    The early Ottoman Empire had a perfect solution. The Sultan would have many children with his concubines, and at least one concubine tended to produce a capable heir. The favored heir would then be assigned governorship nearest to the capital, and when the Sultan died, his chosen heir would hear about it first and be the first to reach the treasury. Then the victor would kill all his brothers.

    Sadly for the Turks, the system eventually ceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    The early Ottoman Empire had a perfect solution. The Sultan would have many children with his concubines, and at least one concubine tended to produce a capable heir. The favored heir would then be assigned governorship nearest to the capital, and when the Sultan died, his chosen heir would hear about it first and be the first to reach the treasury. Then the victor would kill all his brothers.

    Sadly for the Turks, the system eventually ceased.
    Ah. An up-fractal of insemination.
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