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    Question "Do as I say, not as I do" WTF?!

    What makes hypocrisy wrong or right? Is it even a moral issue? Is it just lying and what's wrong with that? Does it weaken the hypocrites credibility? What does it say about the person being a hypocrite? Should this be in the psychology forum? Why is my schlong so big? If you respond to this thread you admire it.
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    I think we are hard-wired to find hypocrites morally reprehensible. Because their actions are typically an abuse of social privileges or status that the views they purport to hold grant them.
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    Hypocrisy is not necessarily wrong. However, one of the usual presuppositions for the concept of morality is that the right decision in a given situation is independent of the actual identity of that person. So an advocate for a morality does not follow the morality himself, it's obvious that he doesn't actually believe in the truth of the moral teaching himself. I.e. he's just lying.

    In principle though, it could be that different people ought to follow different moralities for the optimal society.
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    Context is important. If an addict told me, in the midst of his struggle, not to do drugs, I wouldn't really consider him a hypocrite. It's contexts like that where the "do as I say, not as I do" makes sense to me.

    Also, I think a lot of people are accidental hypocrites...hating traits in others that they themselves exhibit without realizing. Probably projection of some sort.

    as for those who knowingly practice something alternative to what they preach...I'm not sure they're hypocrites, necessarily...just liars. Their internal belief system isn't contradictory...it's the outward strategy that they're employing in order to manipulate. Certainly a worse evil than merely 'not practicing what you preach'.
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    Something I recall reading by this guy once pretty much advanced the argument that anyone who thinks they're actually living by any moral code they overtly espouse is engaging in self-delusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    Something I recall reading by this guy once pretty much advanced the argument that anyone who thinks they're actually living by any moral code they overtly espouse is engaging in self-delusion.
    where can I find more information about this topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrus View Post
    I think we are hard-wired to find hypocrites morally reprehensible. Because their actions are typically an abuse of social privileges or status that the views they purport to hold grant them.
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    This sociology-based response makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-O View Post
    In principle though, it could be that different people ought to follow different moralities for the optimal society.
    Why?
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    I think of hypocrisy like the eventual convergence of parallel lines. With enough granularity, and with the aid of subjectivity, almost everything can be explained and resolved to remove the impression of hypocrisy, or otherwise explain the action, cause, or intent of apparent hypocrisy.
    The same goes for contradiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limey View Post
    I think of hypocrisy like the eventual convergence of parallel lines. With enough granularity, and with the aid of subjectivity, almost everything can be explained and resolved to remove the impression of hypocrisy, or otherwise explain the action, cause, or intent of apparent hypocrisy.
    The same goes for contradiction.
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