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    First Contact: How Would You Prepare to Meet Aliens?

    Okay, this thread is sort of a sequel to the thread "Speculate Wildly About First Contact" on INTPc. http://forums.intpcentral.com/showth...-First-Contact

    This time, the hypothetical situation is this -- we've met aliens and we're meeting them for the first time. They don't know much about the human race yet, and you're going to have some control over their access to information about us.

    What would you tell them about humanity first?

    What would you suggest they check out?

    What would you try to steer them away from?

    What would you try to cover up entirely?
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    First off, I wouldn't try to cover up anything. Aliens are probably like us in some sense - they grew up on their own world, experienced every walk of life we have, made most of the same mistakes. And given the fact that they have superior technology, I think it's unlikely we'd be able to hide anything important. Being honest and trustworthy will be important if we want partnership with these beings. Assuming they're benevolent. If they're hostile, we're fucked anyway.

    So the real question is - what do we have that's unique and interesting, that other worlds might not have? I'd start with all things "cultural" - art, music, architecture, food, wine. Show them the things we create, because they might be substantially different from the things they create. I'd take them to a diverse collection of cities, places, introduce them to different cultures, ethnicities, ways of life. I'd want them to see the diversity of humanity, show them that we have very different people with different lives, some rich, some poor, many problems we haven't worked out.

    I'd want them to see that we're a people with potential, but that we also could use their assistance in several key areas.
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    No offense but the theoretical boundaries purposed of first contact seem quite silly compared to the scope of what would be happening.

    I'm of course assuming the alien life form initiated contact. Assuming they are still biologically based the first thing that comes to my mind is the fact that they are probably hostile and looking to colonise.

    Chances are they've reverse engineered our languages and have studied us for quite some time. Any chance of interest in mutual discovery is idealist at best.

    What it comes down to is preparation for war that would likely lead to our own extermination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomps View Post
    No offense but the theoretical boundaries purposed of first contact seem quite silly compared to the scope of what would be happening.

    I'm of course assuming the alien life form initiated contact. Assuming they are still biologically based the first thing that comes to my mind is the fact that they are probably hostile and looking to colonise.

    Chances are they've reverse engineered our languages and have studied us for quite some time. Any chance of interest in mutual discovery is idealist at best.

    What it comes down to is preparation for war that would likely lead to our own extermination.
    If you assume they are hostile and prepared to colonize us, what hope do you have that we'd have any chance of survival? I have the opposite conclusion as you do - I assume they are peaceful, because if they are hostile it won't matter what we do.
    We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomps View Post
    I'm of course assuming the alien life form initiated contact.
    Why?

    Assuming they are still biologically based the first thing that comes to my mind is the fact that they are probably hostile and looking to colonise.
    What the ... why would you even assume they're capable of colonizing us? That's really quite far off from a reasonable assumption.

    Chances are they've reverse engineered our languages and have studied us for quite some time. Any chance of interest in mutual discovery is idealist at best.
    Why?

    What it comes down to is preparation for war that would likely lead to our own extermination.
    <facepalm>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polemarch View Post
    If you assume they are hostile and prepared to colonize us, what hope do you have that we'd have any chance of survival? I have the opposite conclusion as you do - I assume they are peaceful, because if they are hostile it won't matter what we do.
    I have no hope we could survive. In the moment I'm sure I'd make a plea for peace though.

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    Why?
    From a realistic standpoint how would we currently be able to locate the life form. We know our solar system well enough to know it ain't here.
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    What the ... why would you even assume they're capable of colonizing us? That's really quite far off from a reasonable assumption.
    Because if they have the means to transport themselves to us they can likely harness enough energy to kill us...easily. By this point the civilization has exhausted their planets capabilities and lives off its star's power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osito Polar View Post
    <facepalm>
    I have to argue this with very broad strokes because neither of us know for sure. At the point that energy is no longer an issue you are left with what else. It's just as possible in their free time they want to learn, explore, and help other life forms as it is they'd want to harvest are resources.

    At the same time its entirely possible that what we think WOULD BE limitless energy without consequence is as finite as our energy sources to them.

    There are million things to speculate of course. One thing that comes to mind that I can't pinpoint either way is how is their brain structured and what instincts have they evolved with?

    As brutal as life on earths undertones are I'm willing to wager a trillion dollars that we find ourselves in conversation with a type 1 civilization that gives us, at our best, the option of some sort of socialized structure they can farm from instead of extermination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomps View Post
    From a realistic standpoint how would we currently be able to locate the life form. We know our solar system well enough to know it ain't here.
    With a telescope, for starters. Seriously ... you didn't realize that we can see things outside of our solar system?

    Because if they have the means to transport themselves to us
    Sigh. Why are you assuming that they have the ability to transport themselves to us?

    I have to argue this with very broad strokes because neither of us know for sure. At the point that energy is no longer an issue you are left with what else. It's just as possible in their free time they want to learn, explore, and help other life forms as it is they'd want to harvest are resources.
    Correct.

    So, getting back to the question -- what would you tell them about the human race?
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    Six centuries ago, the pre-Colombian natives who settled here named this region with a word which in their language means "the Mouth of Shadow". Later, the Iroquois who showed up and inexplicably slaughtered every man, woman and child renamed it "Seriously, Fuck that Place". When French explorer Jacques Marquette passed through the area he marked his map with a drawing of a brownish blob emerging from between the Devil's buttocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osito Polar View Post
    So, getting back to the question -- what would you tell them about the human race?
    It's nice to meet you...go easy on us, we are trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polemarch View Post
    If you assume they are hostile and prepared to colonize us, what hope do you have that we'd have any chance of survival? I have the opposite conclusion as you do - I assume they are peaceful, because if they are hostile it won't matter what we do.

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