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    Debate me about the 9/11 Controlled Demolition theory....

    A couple of days ago I was open to the idea that maybe a controlled demolition was responsible for Building 7's collapse:
    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=800493

    Now I think that there was no controlled demolition....

    But on Youtube there are heaps of "Truthers" with overwhelming thumbs up and positive comments on the relevant videos.

    Is there anyone here that believes in the controlled demolition theory?

    I'd like to debate you....

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    I posted some videos in the 'What are you Watching Now?' thread, where it appears that only nuclear controlled demolition (along with thermite,) could only have been responsible for the buildings falling; that any plane (or even a plane detonated as a missile) could not have created the results that were revealed on that day. Take for example the human debris that turned up years after the incident, or even large steel beams that were shot out of the building as if small bullets from a gun?

    Routinely in any widely televised event, the tell-tale "drill" is being used as a destraction; even with the Boston Marathon bombing, you had loudspeakers announcing that it was a drill, and that any bombsniffing dogs or police on scene, should not alarm people. Interestingly enough people that were already quadrapalegics had been attending the marathon, and would show up as "victims." Is it possible that people do get maimed or end up dead from some of these kinds of events? Clearly many seemed almost to have been sacrificed with things like 9/11, but with Sandy Hook for example you get a school that was already closed, and 'survivors' that were alleged killed in that Elementary school "drill" show up at the superbowl halftime event. Official reports of the number of deaths have shown that no one died during the Sandy Hook event, and that it was a deliberate false flag event with an anti-gun agenda. Many that played the victim and the pity card, accusing any that claimed that their son didn't die were horrible people, had photos that were being used previously on the opposite side of the world with another news story; bottom-line the guy claiming he was affected by it was a clear fraud.

    Society is being conditioned to tolerate "injustice" and passively accept their own pillaging from hordes of NWO rapists. Most of these cop killing blacks, if not outright genuine (when isn't it?) often have very questionable circumstances, and every once in awhile some indications seem to suggest the real victims are the ignorant spectators. Basically it is desired that people "respond" and only get the strangle-hold put on tighter, until no one can breath anymore.

    My Rambling:
    The summary of what is taking place is that people grow up in some families that are willing to deceive the rest of society, for the sole purpose of making them serfs to be ruled over. The vast majority of people in this society will go their entire life without even the slightest clue as to what is taking place, and likely won't even pass any knowledge of it's existence onto the next generation. Over time the society that becomes increasingly dumbed-down and ignorant, or are far too naive and uninterested by continuing unabated with the pasture-grazing, will be rendered ineffective and incapable of doing anything about it; because they simply "won't know" how to make sense of it. Even in this day and age it is clearly far too perplexing with all of the obfuscation of any clear-line of reasoning, that it becomes far easier to take the consensus viewpoints at face-value, without having to complicate matters of merely living day-to-day in a sensible fashion. The nullifying of inquiry-reasoning will be met with hostility to anyone that chooses to question, and it would be seen as uninformed to be a dilettante in a single-minded consumerist society, where that one-track mindset get's you aplomb and a steady paycheck. To be distracted in the self-serve, service-to-self society is one one-sided ignorance that will voluntarily live-on vicarious through the ego-identity propelled from popular culture approbation.
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    I had never seen a building go down like that in my life. All the other times I watched passenger planes being flown into 110-storey buildings, the physics was completely different.
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    I've seen a few controlled demolitions of smaller buildings, and the physics appears pretty similar to a lay person.
    My thought is that it is way more efficient to demolish buildings with a plane, obviously. I can't imagine even a controlled demolition going so smoothly. When they demolished the old hospital in my town, only 5 or 6 stories, nearly half the thing remained intact! a good portion of the collapse was projected sideways...which, to me, means that the demo team sucked, or it is some kind of miracle that 110 stories basically fell vertically on 9/11...each floor collapsing at the same rate...no leaning...

    ...but then, I'm a lay person who hasn't investigated the physics.
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    I agree with the president:

    Statement from the President of the United States:

    "I'm starting to think that they not only had planes, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously"




    The official story flies in the face of everything that is known about physics. I believe that ACE Elevators had something to do with the demolitions, as did numerous other covert operators . I think the Global Guardian war games, and numerous other exercises which coincided with 911, were opportune cover for subverting national air defenses. I think the NIST report and 9/11 commission are as accurate a record as the Warren Commission. I believe there was billions to be made in the event... and I believe the information being brought forth by the whistle blowing organisation Abel Danger, which implements the executive executioners in senior United States government, numerous international banking interests, the "British Invisibles", and Serco Inc.

    Allegations made by the whistle blower Field McConnell of Abel Danger, brother of Kristine Marcy:







    #2876: Can Trump Link Clinton 9/11 Hotels To Serco's 8(a) Qui-Tam Liquidations, Zulu-Timed Patented Bombs?
    United States Marine Field McConnell
    Plum City Online - (AbelDanger.net)
    January 4, 2017



    Abel Danger (AD) has explained how President-elect Donald Trump can link the Clinton Foundation's use of hotel security networks on 9/11 to 8(a) company liquidations in alleged serial Qui tam frauds by Serco and its shareholders and the synchronized detonation of patented bomb devices with Zulu timing signals relayed via E4B Boeing aircraft.

    AD claims that Serco shareholders including the British and Saudi Arabian governments used Starwood or Marriott hotel networks and the Federal Bridge Certification Authority[/COLOR] to sell 8(a) liquidation rights to Clinton donors for the Zulu timed bombings of the U.S. East African Embassies (1998) and USS Cole (2000) over patented weapons-device networks.

    AD claims that Serco established a hotel-based network for the Office of SBIC Liquidation in November 1999 with Serco shareholders BNY Mellon acting as trustee and Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse and JPMorgan acting as underwriters for debentures allegedly used to fund a Clinton murder-for-hire service.

    AD claims that Serco bypassed the Defense Red Switch Network privileges of POTUS 42 on 9/11 and linked a private server in the basement of Hillary Clinton's home in Chappaqua New York to the Federal Bridge Certification Authority and an SBIC liquidation office in the Marriott World Trade Center.

    AD claims that Serco used patented onion router (Tor) devices (US 6266704 B1) to link an Office of SBIC Liquidation allegedly established in the Marriott Hotel by Kristine "Con Air" Marcy, Field McConnell's sister, with her partner the late Lenora Guarria’s EEOC office on the 18th floor of WTC#7.

    AD claims that Serco used U.K. "elevator mechanics" allegedly embedded in a fake 8(a) front company – ACE Elevators – to place patented thyristor SCR devices (US 6108223 A) in the WTC Twin Towers to detonate special operation forces demolition kits (SOFDK) and demolish the towers in Zulu time.

    AD claims that Serco used patented rocket-boosted guided hard target penetrators (US 6276277 B1) from Lockheed Martin – its partner in private nuke developments at the UK Atomic Weapons Establishment – to synchronize the external attack on the Twin Towers with internal explosions in Zulu time.

    AD claims that the dark-web encryption and the alibi services which kept the auction under the radar of the blue team defenders on 9/11 was developed by Serco's Vice President of Intelligence Business and National Security Advisor Maureen Bagisnki, the former head of NSA Signals Intelligence (Sigint).

    AD has prioritized possible qui tam suits against Serco and its hotel-based 8(a) liquidation partners who allegedly sold or bought red switch privileges to stand down military, federal civilian agencies and the intelligence community during the travel, sabotage and media-play operations of September 11 …

    1. U.S. Patent And Trademark Office – Navy Tor, Lockheed penetrators, Otis thyristors
    2. National Visa Center – Pig farm M.C., shareholder and hijacker alibis for 9/11
    3. Office of SBIC Liquidation – Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, JPMorgan, BNY Mellon
    4. Defense Red Switch Network – Auctioned 'Flash Override' access to federal bridge
    5. Federal Bridge Certification Authority – 8(a) Red Switch sovereign state extortion
    6. Joint Automated Booking System – For Con Air/8(a) saboteurs and Zulu snuff-film ETA
    7. FAA Contract Towers – Impute ad hoc waypoints through ITT Sheraton / Marriott
    8. E-4B NAOC "Doomsday" Fleet – Boeing tracking and telemetry in Zulu time

    Having had private conversations with his sister Kristine Marcy and her partner the late Lenora Guarria, Field McConnell became an original source relator for the 9/11 attacks and is now asking to meet with President-elect Trump and his Small Business Administration pick Linda McMahon to explain to them how to use qui tam remedies – unwittingly suggested by Marcy– to raise funds for the Marine Corps to meet the needs of the war on terror and stop Serco shareholders, especially including the UK and Saudi governments, from liquidating their private or sovereign-state enemies.



    #2891: Can Trump Hotels Prevent 8(a) Liquidation And Qui Tam Serco’s Red Switch Frauds?
    United States Marine Field McConnell
    Plum City Online - (AbelDanger.net)
    January 20, 2017

    Abel Danger (AD) has explained how President Trump can prevent his family's hotels from sharing the fate of the WTC Twin Towers on 9/11 by closing the SBA's 8(a) Office of SBIC Liquidation and by sponsoring qui tam lawsuits to block Serco's ongoing issue of fraudulent stand-down orders on the Defense Red Switch Network.

    AD claims that in 1994, Serco positioned Kristine Marcy as director of the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System (JPATS – a.k.a."Con Air") to transport felons including arsonists, assassins and blackmailers between prisons and deploy them on release or parole in 8(a) missions in elite hotels.

    AD claims that in 1996, Serco positioned Maureen Baginski as National Security Agency (NSA) Signals Intelligence Director to integrate the Defense Red Switch Network with elite-hotel security systems and modify a Boeing E4B to transmit a live-broadcast 8(a) snuff films in Zulu time on 9/11.

    AD claims that in 1997, Serco equipped pay-to-play donors to the Clinton Foundation with access to the Federal Bridge Certification Authority so they could coordinate attacks on assets in the custody of 8(a) mentors such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon from their hotel rooms.

    AD claims that in 1998, Serco shareholders positioned Ms. Marcy as Chief Operating Officer of the Small Business Administration where she allegedly set up the Office of SBIC Liquidation with BNY Mellon as trustee and Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse and JPMorgan as underwriters to finance the 9/11 attacks.

    AD claims that Serco's can rapidly deploy Con Air hit teams and blackmailers including snipers and pedophile pimps to any Trump or Marriott hotel and appears to have framed Donald Trump with the 'dodgy dossier' claim that he frolicked with prostitutes in his Moscow hotel suite (Ritz Carlton) in 2013.

    AD has prioritized possible qui tam suits against Serco and its shareholders for procurement frauds on government programs allegedly overseen by Marcy, Baginski and donors to the Clinton Foundation.

    1. Defense Red Switch Network – Marriott/Bilderberg Hotels bypass National Command
    2. U.S. Patent And Trademark Office – Navy onion router, Pentagon rocket/thermite bomb
    3. Office of SBIC Liquidation – Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, JPMorgan, BNY Mellon. N.B. Barack Obama has pooled an interim SBIC credit facility with the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago after Clinton lost the 2016 election!
    4. Defense Ammunition Center – Jackal ammo caches – Check Fireball JFK!
    5. USNO Master Clock – Fake news synchronized with Serco NPL for a 9/11 snuff film
    6. E-4B NAOC "Doomsday" Fleet – Boeing tracking and telemetry in Zulu time
    7. DoD Mentor Protégé Program – Serco 8(a) attacks on Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon through Federal Bridge Certification Authority
    8. FAA Contract Towers – Serco 9/11 ad hoc waypoints ITT Sheraton / Marriott
    9. Joint Automated Booking System – 8(a) snuff crews in Marriott hotels before hit
    10. National Visa Center – Serco 8(a) aliens with dark-web alibis for 9/11
    11. Pentagon Renovation Project – Capt. Gerald DeConto's team liquidated – no autopsies!
    12. Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System (JPATS) – 8(a) vets on Con Air meds
    13. Federal Bridge Certification Authority – 8(a) Red Switch sovereign state extortion


    After private conversation with his sister Kristine Marcy, United States Marine Field McConnell – Global Operations Director of Abel Danger – has become an original source relator for any Qui tam lawsuit in respect of Serco procurement frauds.

    McConnell is now asking to meet with President Trump, his Administrator for the Small Business Administration Linda McMahon and his Secretary of Defense James N. Mattis to explain how qui tam remedies – as suggested by Ms. Marcy – can fund a Marine Corps war on terror, close the 8(a) Office of SBIC Liquidation and eradicate all and any Serco stand down crews on the Defense Red Switch Network.
    http://www.abeldanger.net/2017/01/28...revent-8a.html




    BBC Fake News Injection: (Well, they fucked that one up... )




    ACE Elevator Company - How could explosives be planted in the WTC?

    Although we do not know exactly how explosives could have been planted in the World Trade Center prior to 9/11, without detection, we do know two things for sure. Other possible explanations were not considered in the 9/11 Commission or NIST Reports. Key people were not even mentioned in the final reports.

    The possibility of controlled demolition was not seriously considered in the Nine Eleven Official Conspiracy Theory (NEOCT). There were workers with unfettered access to parts of the builds that were perfect for the planting of explosives, such as in the elevators shafts next to the vertical support columns, and above the ceiling panels next to the horizontal beams. There were also fireproofing renovation workers.

    Dr. Niels Harrit has estimated that it would take "tons" of explosives to demolish the buildings. Demolition experts such as Tom Sullivan have said that it would be quite easy to plant them, if a group had access to the elevator shafts, next to the core columns.

    Workers had access to unoccupied areas by day, and in occupied areas by night, and on week ends. Workers from the A.C.E. Elevator Company in the WTC elevator shafts from 1994 until 9/11/2001 were not even mentioned in the final reports. Neither was LVI Services, working on the asbestos removal project. Nor were the fireproofing workers. (See video)

    The words "Ace elevator" or "A.C.E." (herein ACE) are not found anywhere in the PDF files of the 9/11 Commission or NIST reports, although "elevator" appears multiple times. You can check this out for yourself. The names of the security company, "Securacom" (renamed "Stratesec" after 9/11), are not found either. If the security company cannot be trusted, than there are many ways the explosives could be brought in. The building owner is also key. The landlord, Larry Silverstein is only mentioned in the WTC 7 report, as a contributor. http://911Experiments.com/reports.

    With the assistance of Frank Lowy, Paul Eisenberg, and Ronald Lauder, Larry the N.Y. Port Authority turned over the management to Silverstein Properties. He hired the firm Kroll for security. Kevin Ryan has well researched who had access to the WTC towers in his article. http://911review.com/articles/ryan/d...access_p1.html

    According to Dennis Cimino, interviewed on Dr. James Fetzer's show, there were other fake sounding names on the list of renovation contractors working on the World Trade Center. This report will focus on ACE. ACE got the WTC contract, the biggest elevator project in history, There was an article "Drive to the Top" in the trade magazine Elevator World about the ACE project.

    A.C.E. Elevator Company went bankrupt in 2006. How could ACE go bankrupt, if they were skilled enough to get the largest contract in history? Presumably they got paid, because Larry Silverstein was fully insured, received over $4 billion, and there are no records of ACE suing Larry. This supports the hypothesis that Ace Elevator was a "front company" created for the purpose of planting explosives, with just enough background to sound credible.
    http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/


    The significance of elevator contracts; an excerpt from an interview with Anthony Malkin of the Empire State Building Co:
    Anthony Malkin of the Empire State Building Co., which owns the tower, said his company has been leasing to tenants that occupy entire floors or multiple floors and expect premier appearances and service. "We're touching on everything, restoring the Art Deco lobby to its original grandeur and a new energy-efficient system," he said. Upgrading all 68 elevators and replacing 13-ton machines with new equipment while workers, tourists and others enter and leave will be a major effort.

    The elevators will carry nearly 10 million people each year, Otis said.

    Malkin called it the largest elevator modernization of its kind in the world and Otis, a United Technologies Corp. subsidiary based in Farmington, Connecticut, says it's the biggest in its 158-year history.
    The two sides did not disclose how much the contract, which includes a 10-year maintenance agreement, is worth. Design specifications and the bidding process lasted more than a year in what Malkin called a "hotly competitive process."
    Only three elevator manufacturers — Schindler, ThyssenKrupp and Otis — could credibly compete, he said. Otis came up with a novel and innovative staffing system, Malkin said.
    ACE seems to have disappeared, though i have tracked a few employees to charlotte, n.c. and then england. the company seems to have gone brigadoon on us.
    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...32405&p=409372




    Serco's subversion of America's government and defenses through procurement frauds on government programs allegedly overseen by Marcy, Baginski and donors to the Clinton Foundation.



    United States Marine Field McConnell
    Plum City Online - (AbelDanger.net)
    December 12, 2016


    1. Abel Danger (AD) has explained to Donald Trump how Serco appears to have used ad hoc way points during the Boeing hijacks on 9/11 to link Goldman Sachs liquidators at the Offutt Air Force Base to a group of 8(a) insurrectionists allegedly funded by former SBA Chief Operating Officer Kristine Marcy and her accelerated loan guarantee program.

    2. AD alleges that Marcy – charter founder of the all-powerful Senior Executive Service in 1979 – triggered an interest payment default on September 10, 2001 for the SBA's Debenture SBIC 2001-10 A and allowed the loan underwriter and Serco shareholder Goldman Sachs to liquidate enemy assets during 8(a) insurrectionist war games on 9/11.

    3. United States Marine Field McConnell – Global Operations Director of Abel Danger and Kristine Marcy's brother – is asking for a meeting with President-elect Trump and his pick for Secretary of Defense Gen. James "Mad Dog" Mattis to explain why they need to have a 'plan to kill everybody they meet' associated with Serco's apparent use of ad hoc waypoints to crash Boeing aircraft in Zulu time on 9/11 and his sisters alleged use of Goldman Sachs to liquidate targeted United States assets through an SBA loan fraud.


    The Small Business Administration and 8(a) program. (2001 Chief Operating Director: Kristine Marcy)

    Mission

    The U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) was created in 1953 as an independent agency of the federal government to aid, counsel, assist and protect the interests of small business concerns, to preserve free competitive enterprise and to maintain and strengthen the overall economy of our nation. We recognize that small business is critical to our economic recovery and strength, to building America's future, and to helping the United States compete in today's global marketplace. Although SBA has grown and evolved in the years since it was established in 1953, the bottom line mission remains the same. The SBA helps Americans start, build and grow businesses. Through an extensive network of field offices and partnerships with public and private organizations, SBA delivers its services to people throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, the U. S. Virgin Islands and Guam.

    The U.S. Small Business Administration has delivered millions of loans, loan guarantees, contracts, counseling sessions and other forms of assistance to small businesses.


    Authority

    In the Small Business Act of July 30, 1953, Congress created the Small Business Administration, whose function is to "aid, counsel, assist and protect, insofar as is possible, the interests of small business concerns." The charter also stipulates that SBA would ensure small businesses a "fair proportion" of government contracts and sales of surplus property. Read the Small Business Act in fullDownload Adobe Reader to read this link content.

    In 1958, Congress enacted the Small Business Investment Act of 1958, which provides vehicles for small business investments such as small business investment companies (SBICs) and certified development companies. Read the Small Business Investment Act in fullDownload Adobe Reader to read this link content.


    Management of SBA.

    The Administrator of SBA, its Deputy Administrator, its Chief Counsel for Advocacy, and its Inspector General are appointed by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the Senate. The major small business assistance programs of SBA and the general administration of SBA are managed by officials appointed by the Administrator [In 2001, the Chief Operating Officer of the SBA was Field McConnell's sister Kristine Marcy]. The Presidential appointees together with the major program managers establish SBA policy with respect to operations under the Small Business Act and the Act and applicable regulations. Career personnel at various levels constitute the middle management of SBA and make the preponderance of program operations decisions in conformance with the applicable laws, regulations, and policies. Additionally, the Office of Management and Budget guides SBA's policies directly through the senior management officials and through circulars issued from time to time. The SBA Inspector General audits both the management of SBICs participating in the Program and administration of the Program within SBA."


    8(a) Business Development Program

    About the 8(a) Business Development Program

    In order to help small, disadvantaged businesses compete in the marketplace, the SBA created the 8(a) Business Development Program.

    What is the 8(a) Business Development Program?

    The 8(a) Business Development Program is a business assistance program for small disadvantaged businesses. The 8(a) Program offers a broad scope of assistance to firms that are owned and controlled at least 51% by socially and economically disadvantaged individuals.

    The 8(a) Program is an essential instrument for helping socially and economically disadvantaged entrepreneurs gain access to the economic mainstream of American society. The program helps thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs to gain a foothold in government contracting.

    Participation in the program is divided into two phases over nine years: a four-year developmental stage and a five-year transition stage.

    Benefits of the Program

    Participants can receive sole-source contracts, up to a ceiling of $4 million for goods and services and $6.5 million for manufacturing. While we help 8(a) firms build their competitive and institutional know-how, we also encourage you to participate in competitive acquisitions.

    8(a) firms are also able to form joint ventures and teams to bid on contracts. This enhances the ability of 8(a) firms to perform larger prime contracts and overcome the effects of contract bundling, the combining of two or more contracts together into one large contract. Also, see the Mentor-Protégé Program for more information on allowing starting 8(a) companies to learn the ropes from other more experienced businesses.

    In addition, 8(a) participants may take advantage of specialized business training, counseling, marketing assistance, and high-level executive development provided by the SBA and our resource partners. You can also be eligible for assistance in obtaining access to surplus government property and supplies, SBA-guaranteed loans, and bonding assistance for being involved in the program.

    https://www.sba.gov/about-sba


    Small Business Administration "Loan Improvements" (2001)

    Loan Improvement
    SBA modernizes to help feed its growing programs


    BY PATRICIA DAUKANTAS | GCN STAFF | Jan 31, 2001

    Under a five-year plan for overhauling its information technology systems, the Small Business Administration recently acquired new software for financial and other administrative tasks.
    By the time SBA celebrates its 50th anniversary in 2003, agency officials want all their programs up and running around the clock, chief financial officer Joseph Loddo said.
    In the first phase of the modernization, the agency has upgraded systems for managing its extensive portfolio of guaranteed loans, chief operating officer Kristine Marcy said.
    SBA processed its first electronic loan last November through its Sacramento, Calif., office and plans to add more private lenders during fiscal 2001.

    The agency's staffing level has dropped 22 percent over the past eight years, which is another reason to improve IT, Marcy said. Over the past decade, SBA's portfolio of loans to small and disadvantaged businesses has more than doubled to $50 billion. 'We're a small agency with a huge portfolio,' Marcy said. SBA supplies more than half of the U.S. venture capital available each year.
    Seventy percent to 80 percent of the loans are booked through a preferred lender program, which involves nearly 7,000 banks, Marcy said. SBA guarantees the loans, just as the government backs student and housing loans.
    https://gcn.com/articles/2001/01/31/...provement.aspx


    Small Business Administration and SBIC Program:


    Small Business Owners & the SBIC Program

    Small Business Investment Companies (SBICs) are privately managed for profit investment funds that use privately raised capital and guaranteed SBA loans to provide long-term loans and equity investments to qualifying small businesses. Because SBICs seek attractive net returns for their private investors, SBICs use their own investment criteria and processes to make investment decisions. SBA has no influence over SBIC investment decisions.

    Program Overview

    A multi-billion dollar program founded in 1958, the SBIC Program is one of many financial assistance programs available through the U.S. Small Business Administration. The structure of the program is unique in that SBICs are privately owned and managed investment funds, licensed and regulated by SBA, that use their own capital plus funds borrowed with an SBA guarantee to make equity and debt investments in qualifying small businesses. The U.S. Small Business Administration does not invest directly into small business through the SBIC Program, but provides funding to qualified investment management firms with expertise in certain sectors or industries

    SBCI Liquidation <----

    Upon a determination by SBA to transfer an SBIC into liquidation status, jurisdiction over the SBIC is transferred to the Office of SBIC Liquidation whereupon the SBIC is considered in liquidation status. At this point, an acceleration letter is sent to the SBIC citing violations and defaults, making demand for payment of the accelerated obligations and advising the SBIC that it has been transferred to liquidation status. SBA will make a Guarantee Payment of the outstanding principal and accrued interest with respect to such SBIC Debenture to the next scheduled Payment Date on or before the next scheduled Distribution Date for such Payment Date.

    The Certificates are exempt from the registration requirements of the Securities Act of 1933, so no registration statement has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Neither the Securities and Exchange Commission nor any state securities commission has approved or disapproved of the Certificates or passed upon the accuracy or adequacy of this Offering Circular. Any representation to the contrary is a criminal offense.

    JPMorgan Goldman, Sachs & Co. Credit Suisse First Boston. The date of this Offering Circular is March 14, 2001. [Serco shareholders]
    https://www.sba.gov/sbic/funding-sbi...sip-831641-de2
    (Abel Danger charges that Baginski removed the Red Switch terminal from Oval Office!)



    Background

    Ms. Maureen A. Baginski served as Chief Executive Officer of National Security Partners, LLC since December 19, 2011.
    Ms. Baginski served as the Vice President of Intelligence Business and National Security Advisor of Serco, Inc., since December 2009.
    Ms. Baginski has been Senior Corporate Vice President and President of National Security Systems Sector at SPARTA, Inc.
    Ms. Baginski is an executive with extensive experience in the Intelligence Community, and has held progressively more challenging roles within the federal government and the private sector.
    She has a distinguished background with almost three decades of service in the United States Intelligence Community.

    Ms. Baginski served as the President of National Security Systems Sector of Cobham Analytic Solutions, since October 23, 2006 and its Senior Corporate Vice President since October 2006.
    Ms. Baginski served as a Member of Federal Advisory Board at Benchmark Executive Search. She served as a Director of Intelligence at McLean-based BearingPoint Inc.
    From 2003 to 2005, Ms. Baginski served as the FBI's Executive Assistant Director for Intelligence where she was responsible for establishing and managing the FBIs first-ever intelligence program, including technology acquisition and workforce development. Her mission was to adapt FBI intelligence capabilities with information technologies to create an intelligence-sharing operation that could identify threats before they become attacks.

    From 1979 to 2003, Ms. Baginski served at the National Security Agency (NSA), where she held a variety of positions, including Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) Director, Senior Operations Office in the National Security Operations Center; Executive Assistant to the Director (Lt. General Minihan), Executive Assistant to the Director of NSA/Central Security Service, Chief Office of the Director; Assistant Deputy Director of Technology and Systems, and lead analyst for the Soviet Union. As SIGINT Director, Director of Policy under the next NSA Director (Lt. General Hayden) and Director of Customer Relations.

    Ms. Baginski successfully established and directed a unified program to exploit encrypted or denied information on global networks. Leading the NSA's Signals Intelligence Directorate, the Nation's high technology cryptologic organization, she managed a complex, geographically dispersed, distributed information production. Ms. Baginski served as a Director of Argon ST, Inc., from October 2006 to August 5, 2010. She was a Director in Bearing Point's Intelligence Sector and Serco Services, Inc. Prior to that, Ms. Baginski had a long and distinguished career in the US Intelligence Community, where she served for twenty-seven years.

    She serves as a Member of the Defense Science Board at United States Department Of Defense. She has received two Presidential Rank Awards, two Director of Central Intelligence National Achievement Medals, NSA's Exceptional Civilian Service Award, and the Director of Military Intelligence''s Leadership Award. Ms. Baginski is recognized as being the first-ever recipient of NSA''s Outstanding Leadership Award, an award voted upon and bestowed by the Nsa Workforce. Ms. Baginski has testified before the House Committee on Homeland Security, has appeared on CNN, and has been featured in U.S. News and World Report which dubbed her the FBI''s ''Vision Lady and recognized her then as the third most powerful FBI official. Ms. Baginski is a graduate of the University of Albany, She holds a BA and MA in Slavic Languages and Linguistics as well as an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters for service to the nation.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/research/st...capId=12422238


    Former National Security Agency & FBI Executive Maureen Baginski Joins Serco

    "Maureen Baginski has distinguished herself in a number of federal government leadership positions. We are truly honored to have Maureen join the Serco team"
    - Serco

    Serco Inc., a provider of professional, technology, and management services to the federal government, announced today that Maureen Baginski has been named Vice President of the intelligence business and National Security Advisor at Serco. Ms. Baginski has a distinguished background with almost three decades of service in the United States Intelligence Community.
    Most recently, Ms. Baginski was President of the National Security Systems Sector for Sparta Inc. and prior to that a Director in Bearing Point’s Intelligence Sector. She also served on SI International’s Board of Directors until it was acquired by Serco in December 2009.

    From 2003 to 2005, Ms. Baginski served as the FBI’s Executive Assistant Director for Intelligence where she was responsible for establishing and managing the FBI’s first-ever intelligence program. Her mission was to adapt FBI intelligence capabilities with information technologies to create an intelligence-sharing operation that could identify threats before they became attacks.
    From 1979 to 2003, Ms. Baginski served at the National Security Agency (NSA), where she held a variety of positions, including Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) Director, Senior Operations Officer in the National Security Operations Center; Executive Assistant to the Director of NSA/Central Security Service, Chief Officer of the Director; Assistant Deputy Director of Technology and Systems; and lead analyst for the Soviet Union. As SIGINT Director, Ms. Baginski successfully established and directed a unified program to exploit encrypted or denied information on global networks. Leading the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, the Nation’s high technology cryptology organization, she managed a complex and geographically dispersed distributed information production enterprise.

    “Maureen Baginski brings to Serco a wealth of experience and demonstrated successes in the intelligence community,” said Ed Casey, Chief Executive Officer of Serco. “She has distinguished herself in a number of federal government leadership positions and is considered a visionary by transitioning the intelligence community to using information and information sharing as a weapon to prevent terrorist attacks. We are truly honored to have Maureen join the Serco team.”

    Ms. Baginski is the recipient of two Presidential Rank Awards, two Director of Central Intelligence National Achievement Medals, the Director of Military Intelligence’s Leadership Award, and NSA’s Exceptional Civilian Service Award. Ms. Baginski holds BA and MA degrees in Slavic Languages and Linguistics from the University of Albany. In December 2005, she received an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from the University of Albany for her service to the nation.

    RESTON, VA (VOCUS) DECEMBER 8, 2009
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/Serco/...web3299334.htm



    How Serco CEO Chris Hyman survived 9/11

    On 11 September 2001, he was in the World Trade Center. He was on the 47th floor when the plane hit, talking to Serco shareholders. They got out - but not the people in his previous meeting. He does not like talking about that terrible day.
    Read more at http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/mt-...2vXlQqbCR3g.99



    #1998: Marine Links Serco 47 Trigger to Adjusters Catastrophe Bond and London Co Rocket Fuel Bombs


    United States Marine Field McConnell has linked a trigger signal, apparently relayed from the 47th Floor of WTC Building #1 at 8:46:30 a.m. (47th minute!) during former CEO Chris Hyman’s presentation to Serco investors on 9/11, to the crony cat-bond (catastrophe) claims services offered by Adjusters’ International on the same floor and the London Co of Virginia’s alleged use of ATK rocket-fuel bombs in planes and elevators to ambush and kill 343 FDNY members.



    #1999: Marine Links Serco Red Switch Global Guardian to London Co Cat Bond Triggers, Buffett Offutt 9/11


    United States Marine Field McConnell has linked Serco’s operation of the Defense Red Switch Network during the Global Guardian continuity of government exercise September 10-12, 2001, to cat bonds (catastrophe bonds) allegedly triggered by investees of the London Company of Virginia in a seditious conspiracy by Warren Buffett and his associates at Headquarters, United States Strategic Command Offutt Air Force Base, Nebraska on 9/11.

    McConnell’s claims should be examined in the context of the prequel and the attached images.

    HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES STRATEGIC COMMAND
    OFFUTT AIR FORCE BASE, NEBRASKA 68113-6300
    GLOBAL GUARDIAN 2001-2 EXERCISE ORDER



    So where was Warren Buffett the morning of 9/11 and what was he doing?


    Mr. Buffett was reportedly at his home in Omaha, Nebraska watching TV when he heard about the terrorist attacks. He was getting ready to host his "last annual golf charity event" which just happened to be at the U.S. Strategic Command headquarters located at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha. Offutt AFB is, coincidentally, where President G. W. Bush flew to on Air Force One later in the day for "safety." This early golf charity event hosted by Mr. Buffett was to include celebrities, professional athletes, and a small group of business leaders in which one of these business leaders became a very lucky person.

    This very lucky person was Ann Tatlock, the CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International. Now what made Mrs. Tatlock such a lucky person for being invited to this charity event that morning? Mrs. Tatlock not only works in the World Trade Center, but her offices were right where Flight 175 crashed into the South WTC Tower. She was escorted by military officers to an officer's lounge with TV to watch it happen.”
    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/06/20...utt-stand.html



    Were specific Companies in the World Trade Center Targeted on 9/11?

    Were specific companies in the World Trade Center targeted for attack on September 11, 2001?

    Marsh & McLennan, Cantor Fitzgerald/CO2e.com/eSpeed and Aon Corp were engaged in an economic war game scenario with the Naval War College on 9/11. The game involved the use of carbon emissions trading software.



    The shocking failure of the air defense system to protect New York City and the capital would seem to require either an incredible series of failures or an order to stop intercepts -- a stand-down order. Yet apparently there have been no cases of military officials disciplined for gross negligence surrounding 9/11/01, nor have there been publicized reports of commanders admitting to having received stand-down orders.

    If the stand-down order were disguised as a procedural change, and enacted well in advance, it might be hidden in plain sight.

    CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for assistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for "potentially lethal assistance", the kind required to respond to the attack:

    (DODD 2025.15, Feb. 18, 1997) 4.4 The Secretary of Defense retains approval authority for support to civil authorities involving: use of Commander in Chief (CINC)-assigned forces (personnel units, and equipment) when required under paragraph 4.5, below; DoD support that will result in a planned event with the potential for confrontation with specifically identified individuals and/or groups or will result in the use of lethal force. 1
    Hence, this order may have been the long-sought stand-down order.

    If it is true that the standing orders would have required approval by the Secretary of Defense for intercepts on 9/11/01, then, in theory, a defacto stand-down could have been implemented by the secretary simply failing to act during the crisis. However, it is doubtful that insiders planning the attack would have relied on the orders alone to assure that there was no effective military response to the attack. It was likely one of a number of "fixes" that included multiple war games planned on the day of the attack. Thus, even if commanders violated standing orders and ordered intercepts of the commandeered jetliners, they would face depleted interceptor resources and corrupted flight data.
    http://911review.com/means/standdown.html


    NORAD Stand-Down


    It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. 1 In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. 2

    There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.

    Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001.

    Layered Failures

    The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.

    Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.
    Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
    Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions.
    Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.

    Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.

    The Defense Red Switch Network (DRSN) is a dedicated telephone network which provides global secure communication services for the command and control structure of the United States Armed Forces. The network is maintained by the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) and is secured for communications up to the level of Top Secret SCI.

    The DRSN provides multilevel secure voice and voice-conferencing capabilities to the National Command Authority (NCA, being the President and the Secretary of Defense of the United States), the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Military Command Center (NMCC), Combatant Commanders and their command centers, warfighters, other DoD agencies, government departments, and NATO allies.

    Department of Defense and federal government agencies can get access to the network with approval of the Joint Staff.[2] Upon approval by the Joint Staff, DISA will work with the customer and the appropriate military department to arrange the service.[3]

    The Defense Red Switch Network consists of four major subsystems: the Switching Subsystem, the Transmission Subsystem, the Timing and Synchronization Subsystem, and the Network Management Subsystem. The Switching Subsystem uses both RED and BLACK switches to provide an integrated RED/BLACK service. End users are provided with a single telephone instrument with which they can access both secure and nonsecure networks.

    The DRSN carried around 15,000 calls per day prior to September 11, 2001. DRSN usage subsequently peaked at 45,000 calls per day and by mid-2003 was running at around 25,000 calls per day. In that period the Defense Red Switch Network was expanded to support 18 additional US Federal Homeland Defense initiatives.[4]

    Nowadays, this network is also called the Multilevel Secure Voice service. It's the core of the Global Secure Voice System (GSVS) during peacetime, crisis and time of conventional war, by hosting national-level conferencing and connectivity requirements and providing interoperability with both tactical and strategic communication networks.[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defens...Switch_Network


    Outsourcing America's defenses to Serco

    C4ISR Case Studies


    Information superiority can be decisive to battlefield success, and America’s fleet of nuclear aircraft carriers constitute one of the most effective means to project military power across the globe. So when the Navy planned to retrofit the USS John C. Stennis with a next generation C4I network, they turned to a reliable partner with the scale and knowledge to execute such a critical project, Serco.

    Serco was chosen due to our success of delivering large scale projects on deadline and the unique client reporting system employed to give visibility to the Navy, known as the Serco Program Integrated Reporting & Installation Tracking, or SPIRIT. SPIRIT integrates three key client requirements, tailored earned value management (EVM), quality assurance (QA) documentation, and weekly status reports, so that deck-plate personnel and senior program managers have a clear picture of the project status.

    24th Air Force Cyber Operations Support

    Serco also implemented Defense Red Switch Network (DRSN), completed a structured fiber optic and Category 6 cabling system, and participated in the construction design working group to ensure supporting systems (e.g. Power and HVAC) were able to support the 24 AF’s IT needs.
    http://www.serco-na.com/market-segme...r-case-studies



    9-6-2016 Clinton Outsourced Override Network – Serco's Red-Switch Qui Tam Fraud




    United States Marine Field McConnell
    Plum City Online - (AbelDanger.net)
    December 22, 2015


    1. Abel Danger (AD) asserts that Serco (RCA GB 1929) has installed the Defense Red Switch Networks to link hotel chains which have hosted Bilderberg meetings so that the likes of Donald Trump and his elite guests can fund phoney election campaigns with winnings from death-pool or long-range assassination betting.

    2. AD asserts that Serco's 8(a) companies gave John Kerry "Flash Override" privileges in various Sheraton hotels from where Earth Day guests spot fixed the time of the bomb/drone which demolished the Pentagon’s U.S. Navy Command Center on 9/11.

    3. AD asserts that Serco used a 'Hawkshill Red Switch' media play to have journalists and television crews conceal the hack of Hawkeye surveillance aircraft on the French Ship Charles de Gaulle and its U.S. counterparts such as the USS Wahsington and death pools suites in the Sheraton and Marriott Hotels on 9/11.


    Hotel 9/11
    The Marriott Hotel




    Abel Danger links London's Livery Companies with 9/11


    Marine Asks Marriott Innholders – Where Did Sam Cam Stay for Twin Towers Black Cat Bombs?


    United States Marine Field McConnell is asking Marriott agents in the Innholders Livery Company to find out where Samantha Cameron stayed in New York during the apparent demolition of the WTC Twin Towers allegedly triggered by the ignition of Li & Fung Black Cat incendiary bombs.


    The Worshipful Company of Mercers acknowledge Abel Dangers allegations aimed the the Worshipful Company of Innholders


    The Master's Mansion House Speech

    My Lord Mayor, Ladies and Gentlemen,

    It is a great honour to thank you, My Lord Mayor, on behalf of the Livery Companies present, for the generous way in which you have proposed the toast to the Livery Companies. This evening is a fine demonstration of the strong partnerships and associations which exist between the City and the Livery Companies.

    We also thank you for your wonderful hospitality this evening. We have wined and dined superbly in this glorious room amid this splendid company of friends, and not surprisingly we have thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.

    You have made the theme for your Year, “The Energy to transform lives”, which your personal programme in your 686 Plan underpins. In this context, your speech has laid down some serious challenges for the Livery. In response, I want to talk this evening briefly about PURPOSE in the context of Livery Companies, and how we can use that purpose with energy to help transform lives and to ensure that we are and remain relevant in today’s society.

    This sounds rather a dry subject but as my time as a Warden and then Master at the Mercers’ Company has progressed, the issue of purpose has come to the fore. Part of the problem in our case is that we have not had any connection with a trade for nearly 500 years. Some companies have strong connections with their underlying trade which gives purpose and focus to their activities today. Other Companies have rebuilt their trade connections, although in some cases one wonders whether they have gone too far.

    Take for instance the Innholders – I should say that the Master Innholder does know this is coming - now you might think that in the old days innholders ran an innocent activity, providing bed and board for travellers and their horses: but there was also a theory that they were an arm of the government, in practice informers paid by the authorities to pass on tales and gossip picked up in their inns.

    The Master Innholder perhaps unwisely asked me to speak at a recent Court lunch, so I set about my research on his Company, pursuing that theory. Looking for inspiration, I typed the phrase “were Innholders spies?” into google, the result was explosive, the web is heaving with conspiracy theories about the Innholders.

    I refer you to one Abel Danger, whose website alleges that the Worshipful Company of Innholders is an arm of the British security services, the so-called MI-3, and was deeply involved inter alia in the attack on Pearl Harbour and the assassination of JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald, that the order to kill Oswald was relayed over Innholder communication systems via madams operating out of a Hotel in the Bahamas and the Lexington Hotel in Chicago, which Abel Danger asserts was a homosexual brothel and command authority base for Al Capone and Jack Ruby etc..

    The company you keep, Master Innholder! But of course understandably you hotly deny this connection. But a caution to you all, beware of what you do in an Inn these days. To pick up my thread, some companies may have gone too far in reconnecting with their trade.



    Additional:



    Leaked Video of Cruise Missile Hitting Pentagon on 911
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    [CENTER]I agree with the president:

    Statement from the President of the United States:

    This is the man that just said the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years... Not exactly high in the credibility ratings.

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    In my view, the debate is being controlled to get people to focus on inconsequential details in order to take the focus off key questions. This seems to be a common thought control technique.

    The buildings have obviously fallen but we are still debating how they fell. If the buildings fell because of a controlled explosion, then this would strongly suggest the US intelligence services were involved. However, if there was no controlled explosion and the buildings fell solely due to the impact of the planes then it doesn't prove whether the US intelligence services were or weren't involved. It is conceivable that someone in the US intelligence services requested their Saudi associates to plan and carry out the attack.

    The questions we really should be asking are "who" and "why". As for "why", I consider that the War on Terror was planned before the attacks and the attacks were orchestrated to provide a sufficiently big event to allow a massive "war on terror" to be justified to the public.

    The War on Terror has increased terrorism rather than decreased it. This suggests that defeating terrorism was not its purpose. The War on Terror has justified the creation of the DHS, restrictions on the freedoms of US citizens, a mass surveillance program, numerous regime changes, the creation of the concept of the "international community" and expanded international law. It has given rise to ISIS and its attempt to purge the Middle East of Christianity and a migrant crisis for Europe and possibly the destruction of the EU.

    The War on Terror may continue for a few more decades and be used to justify even more changes.
    On the wrong side of history

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    Quote Originally Posted by jyng1 View Post
    This is the man that just said the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years... Not exactly high in the credibility ratings.
    Sometimes people lie, sometimes people tell the truth, some times people just call it how they see it... and me, Trump and millions of others don't buy that "plane collisions caused almost free fall demolition"

    I may not be the brightest the world has to offer, but I ain't a fucking retard. (Which I think you'd have to be to believe "the official story".. which is nought but that, a story)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guess Who View Post
    In my view, the debate is being controlled to get people to focus on inconsequential details in order to take the focus off key questions. This seems to be a common thought control technique.

    The buildings have obviously fallen but we are still debating how they fell. If the buildings fell because of a controlled explosion, then this would strongly suggest the US intelligence services were involved. However, if there was no controlled explosion and the buildings fell solely due to the impact of the planes then it doesn't prove whether the US intelligence services were or weren't involved. It is conceivable that someone in the US intelligence services requested their Saudi associates to plan and carry out the attack.

    The questions we really should be asking are "who" and "why". As for "why", I consider that the War on Terror was planned before the attacks and the attacks were orchestrated to provide a sufficiently big event to allow a massive "war on terror" to be justified to the public.

    The War on Terror has increased terrorism rather than decreased it. This suggests that defeating terrorism was not its purpose. The War on Terror has justified the creation of the DHS, restrictions on the freedoms of US citizens, a mass surveillance program, numerous regime changes, the creation of the concept of the "international community" and expanded international law. It has given rise to ISIS and its attempt to purge the Middle East of Christianity and a migrant crisis for Europe and possibly the destruction of the EU.

    The War on Terror may continue for a few more decades and be used to justify even more changes.
    Did you miss my post above which covers the means and motives of "who" what" "when" "how" and "why"?

    Coming from the brother of Kristine Marcy (who stands accused of being one of the main architects for 9/11) & his "White Hat" colleagues.

    There's plenty more info where that came from, I barely skimmed the surface, although I'd like to think that I covered the key points.

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