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Thread: Environmental abidance

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    Environmental abidance

    How active are you in shaping/improving/exploiting the environment around you vs simply abiding the way things are?

    I started thinking about this through observing some quirks of my partner. She lives with her mom in an apartment they've had for about 15 years or so, and they use the dishwasher as a drying rack. When I asked her about this, she said it was because they didn't know how to use a dishwasher. Now, if that were me, I would have looked it up online or asked someone (or just read the instructions of the dishwasher soap). A similar situation exists in her bedroom. When she moved home after being away, she found her room lacked curtains. That was nearly a year ago, but she still doesn't have any curtains. I guess curtains, like dishwashers, aren't necessary.

    I tend to be on the opposite end of this spectrum; the first thing I do tends to be considering how I can improve things around me. I don't think it's necessarily a positive thing, probably more of an indication of anxiety more than anything. Curious to see where others on this forum fall.
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    It depends on the scale of the problem. Curtains I would resolve post-haste, one way or another. I like blackout curtains. For some windows, I also put in a barrier behind the curtains, like a sheet of insulation foam--the rigid foamboard not the fluffy cotton candy of death. On the other hand... I clean up my environment about once a week. I dearly wish I could get myself to tidy up daily, but I can usually manage weekly. Unfortunately, while this keeps things at a point I'm able to live comfortably, it doesn't make things the way I want them.
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    how active i am about it depends on how much i feel i "own" or am responsible for the space.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lud View Post
    I started thinking about this through observing some quirks of my partner. She lives with her mom in an apartment they've had for about 15 years or so, and they use the dishwasher as a drying rack. When I asked her about this, she said it was because they didn't know how to use a dishwasher. Now, if that were me, I would have looked it up online or asked someone (or just read the instructions of the dishwasher soap).
    she's chinese, right? not saying it's an asian thing but i've noticed many if not most asian households don't use their dishwasher... this observation is shared by my SO too, who's vietnamese.

    my family didn't use dishwashers either and we've done the same thing, used it as a drying rack. i am wondering whether this is a "thing" or not.

    fwiw i don't know how to use a dishwasher. lol.

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    I have the occasional manic arrangement spree but they are fewer and further between in the last few years. They mostly involve getting rid of stuff. I often use the dishwasher as a drying rack but only because I hate the sound of it running. I'm not really bothered by non-noises in my living space. I wouldn't put up curtains if they weren't already hung. I decided to put up some pictures so my abode looks less serial killy but frames are expensive and unframed pictures are for teenagers.

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    on the dishwasher: there is a functioning dishwasher here, but i still hand wash... if the people around me would rinse their fucking dishes, i might take advantage of it more often...

    i only improve things that are mine, or that belong to people i view as incompetent to do so for themselves... that latter case only comes up when i give a shit about them and their predicament... if i don't really care i might casually mention what could be done (or i might not)...

    when it comes to things that are mine, i do whatever is easiest in the long term... if something is bad enough to require repair/change (or i am bored), i'll do so... if it is only a mild inconvenience, i might be willing to put up with it for years (even if it is relatively simple to solve)...
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    People should use their dishwashers more often. They're actually more environmentally friendly than washing your dishes by hand – if you fill them up well, at least. Pro tip for musicians: try emptying the dishwasher at night, when it's dark. Leave the cutlery basket for last. You won't believe the kind of music you'll be hearing. I miss having a dishwasher for this sole reason.


    @Lud, your amazement at people's nonchalance/carelessness towards their surroundings sounds very familiar.

    When I move into a new place, furnishing it decently becomes my top life priority for a month or so. I don't mind spending all my time and money on it, I just can't live in an impersonal, generic space, and only feel at rest when it's eventually been equipped satisfactorily.

    That drive for domestic improvement continues over the years, albeit in a much milder form. If given the choice between going on a weekend trip solo or buying items to improve my home (floor lamp? food storage containers? cushions? etc.), I'll choose the latter.

    The only time when I don't care about my surroundings is when I know that I'm going to move again anyway in a few weeks' time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lud View Post
    How active are you in shaping/improving/exploiting the environment around you vs simply abiding the way things are.
    To me a room is just a space to sleep and store things in, so virtually none. I always live in extremely spartan lodgings with no decorations because I really don't see the point of furnishing somewhere I probably only spend an hour or two consciously being in and I am barely aware of my surroundings most of the time. During which time I am inevitably only reading a book or using a computer in any case, preferring to be out doing things - which often ends up involving sleeping around other places these days anyway. If the place I'm in doesn't have the amenities I need I inevitably go and find them elsewhere, I mean this has been why I generally end up using launderettes in house shares.

    That said I couldn't live without curtains, I pretty much have the closed 24/7 in most places I live.
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    I have intentions of improving my home, but I'm slow about getting around to it. Some of it is because of repairs or improvements that would cost cost money. Some of it is just aesthetic decorating and that's kind of low priority for me. It would probably look better when I was done, but not really functional.

    I have only painted one room in my house. I might get around to the others someday. Or hanging pictures... I've never done that because I'm not spending money on that. I figure I could just make something, except making something takes time and I never seem to get to it. I have a print of one Mark Rothko painting hanging on the wall and that's it. Better organization is another think I keep meaning to get to someday.

    The three things that do need to happen the day I move in somewhere - curtains, setting the bed up, and internet.

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    I must be getting old because I care about these things a lot more these days. Or maybe it's because I spend so much money on housing now. I even started making the bed in the morning. I don'tn care that it's just going to get messed up again; it makes the bedroom look so much nicer. I don't want to look at a bunch of broken, fucked up crap either. An orderly house makes me feel somehow wealthier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Leak View Post
    .. and internet.
    Nerd.

    Yeah, I'm not moved into a place until my computer is there.
    This just in: I'm accepting all friend requests too unless you're a fricken jerk and I can't stand your existence and inane drivel. If that's the case, then I'll accept your friend request so I can keep an eye on your ass unless you don't hold any interest for me; then only the threat of keeping my eye on you stands. feces

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