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    Is an ad hominem a legitimate argument?

    Is an ad hominem a legitimate argument?
    Too bad, Lady Une. You were far too lenient.
    As a soldier, yes. But as a civilian I lived an austere life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    Is an ad hominem a legitimate argument?
    No.

    In fact, it is a fallacy -- the exact opposite.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptah View Post
    lol beat me to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck View Post
    lol beat me to it
    @stuck, please do not miss the point of this thread.

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    Not legitimate but persuasive. Fallacies are more persuasive than sound arguments, all lawyers know this, all politicians know this. Claiming it is "illegitimate" in some abstract reality where all human beings are logical and rational has little value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    @stuck, please do not miss the point of this thread.
    To ignore everything and try to deduce the world from first principles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    Is an ad hominem a legitimate argument?
    if the goal is to persuade (as opposed to educate), than yes...
    "The vanity of intelligence is that the intelligent man is often more committed to 'one-upping' his opponent than being truthful. When the idea of intelligence, rather than intelligence itself, becomes a staple, there is no wisdom in it."
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    "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obfuscate View Post
    if the goal is to persuade (as opposed to educate), than yes...
    Yup, i forgot to precise that its aim is to persuade an audience, not the person you're debating with.
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    What about the idea that a person's attributes disqualify that person from having an opinion on a given subject?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    What about the idea that a person's attributes disqualify that person from having an opinion on a given subject?
    that is absurd... lets say i was a paraplegic; i could still have a valid opinion about sports...
    "The vanity of intelligence is that the intelligent man is often more committed to 'one-upping' his opponent than being truthful. When the idea of intelligence, rather than intelligence itself, becomes a staple, there is no wisdom in it."
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    "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving."
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