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    Fine.

    I haven't read all of it, but what I've read fits the state of mind I've been in.
    I'm looking forward to being a 5 again. I might be there already.

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    Are you responding to me?

    Because I know I was thinking about asking you to read this thread, can't remember if I actually asked though?

    *Also, Facebook notification - don't be cheesy, lol.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    Oh, I'm responding to you from like eons ago when you asked me to read through this.

    But you guys look so cute and happy together!
    And you look so beautiful in that photograph!

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    Barf! Lol.


    Well then good timing, because I was thinking yesterday how much I wanted you to check this thread out xD
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    Barf! Lol.


    Well then good timing, because I was thinking yesterday how much I wanted you to check this thread out xD
    That's just feeding my crazy, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mxx View Post
    Fine.

    I haven't read all of it, but what I've read fits the state of mind I've been in.
    I'm looking forward to being a 5 again. I might be there already.
    Oh, weren't hoping Eight was you're true type then?
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    LOL, if it were my true type, I'm sure I would be dead already.

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    Leslie Hershberger - The Protector

    The Protector is a bold, assertive, action-oriented personality with a strong belief that vulnerability can be avoided by being strong and powerful.

    Protectors habitually focus their attention on power and control . The are driven by a lust for life and excess. They possess a huge energy that fuels the personality.

    Challenges for this courageous and intense personality include being domineering, excessive and controlling.

    Each Enneagram type has its own idealization, avoidance and defense mechanism which holds the idealization in place.

    For Type 8:

    Idealized Self-Image:
    “I am powerful”.

    Avoidance: Vulnerability, weakness

    Defense Mechanism: Denial

    The Eights ability to deny the reality of our vulnerability allows them to leave the present moment with its painful thoughts, feelings and events.

    What to expect if you are in a relationship with an Eight:

    Expect to be tested. Eights want your strength, vitality and independence in relationship.

    Contact is essential. Bonding through high adventure and shared difficulty.

    Anger flares quickly, is easily expressed and is just as easily forgotten once its protective function is served.

    Anger may be a request for deeper connection. Anger clarifies a confused relationship by surfacing authentic emotions. The truth comes out in a fight.

    Eights can retreat into an all or nothing world. Your ambivalence feels threatening.

    Make sure that Eights are fully informed. Put all your cards on the table. Misinformation turns your small oversights into major betrayals.

    Expect periods of strict control followed by disobedience bouts. Eights make the rules and they get to break them.

    Your Eight can be a rallying point, a tower of strength under pressure.

    The practices for growth for the Eight:

    *Reclaim innocence

    *Learn how much force is necessary

    *Moderate impact on others

    *Appreciate others truths

    *Allow personal vulnerability
    http://lesliehershberger.com/type-8-the-protector/
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    Eights and Compatibility


    Type Seven (the Enthusiast)
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    Type Eight (the Challenger)


    What Each Type Brings to the Relationship:

    Both Enneagram Sevens and Eights are highly self-assertive, independent, and strong willed. Both types also resist being controlled or limited by authorities or even by internal, psychological mechanisms.

    Once someone (or even some inner voice) says do not, both Sevens and Eights respond with defiance and a desire to push the limits, whatever they may be.

    Both types are practical, this world-oriented, not necessarily worldly or materialistic, but concerned with concrete affairs and finding happiness and fulfillment in the here and now.

    Neither likes to postpone their satisfactions or to settle for vague promises about the future.

    Both tend to overspend their budget on a bountiful lifestyle that is a source of pleasure for themselves and their friends and family.

    They love to entertain and offer the best there is to others as a sign of their generosity and as a signal of their success and standing in the world.

    Both are high energy people, often gifted with a vitality and gusto for life that is noteworthy. A Seven/Eight couple can get a tremendous amount done, and are revitalized by staying active. They are adventuresome and are willing to try new things in their relationship.

    They are also both extremely outspoken and do not hold themselves back from voicing their own opinions or making their needs known.

    Sevens bring more lightness and a sense of fun and excitement, trying something new and different for the sake of keeping things fresh and stimulating. They are also usually the more talkative of the two: Sevens are usually highly engaging storytellers and raconteurs, turning their adventures (and catastrophes) into entertaining tales.

    Eights are usually surprisingly more reserved and moody than is often recognized, and they rely on the Seven to lighten the atmosphere and to make their practical affairs more fun and enjoyable.

    Eights also bring directness, decisiveness, and the willingness to face difficult situations with determination and persistence.

    Potential Trouble Spots or Issues:

    While a Seven/Eight couple can be an extremely productive, high-energy pair, problems may begin if the constructive outlets for that energy are thwarted or misguided.

    Sevens and Eights both need to find positive outlets for their prodigious energies and interests, and if they do not, they will inevitably discover destructive ways of releasing them.

    They may also begin to turn against each other or bring each other down in a kind of dark collusion that can have tragic consequences for them both.

    Both Sevens and Eights are extremely strong willed and independent and so both resist being controlled by the other, often taunting the other with their lack of influence over them.

    Eights tend to be authoritarian and bullying, ordering the Seven around and making threats if they are disobeyed.

    Sevens will attempt to avoid being controlled, and can become highly insulting and contemptuous of the Eight and their heavy-handed tactics.

    Both types will flaunt the other's inability to have their way, as if their defiance were a badge of honor.

    Both types can be extremely selfish and self-centered, feeling that the world revolves around them and their desires. Of course, this builds in the likelihood of conflicts.

    Both types can also be verbally crude and insulting, frequently saying things that other types might only occasionally allow themselves to think.

    Their fights can be gargantuan brawls and public scenes in which physical abuse and violence may also play a significant part.

    The problem is, however, that both types tend to be addicted to excitement and the adrenaline rush of reckless behavior. Once they have begun to build their relationship on a certain level of physical excitement (whether it is from sexuality or violence), it is difficult for this couple to turn back to something more moderate.

    Anything less than being death defying seems lifeless and boring. They may, however, push the limits once too far, with tragic consequences not only for their relationship, but for everyone around them.

    For further understanding about this type combination, read more about the Stress Arrow and how types Seven and Eight behave when they are moving along it.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    Type One (the Reformer)
    with
    Type Eight (the Challenger)


    What Each Type Brings to the Relationship:

    Enneagram Ones and Eights bring a common concern with fighting for truth and justice in their world.

    They both often feel (although in different ways and for different reasons) that it is up to them to stand against whatever they perceive as injustice or falseness.

    Both can see themselves as gallant crusaders protecting the weak, righting wrongs, and making the world a better place.

    In a relationship, these two types are both action-oriented, and if their attention and energy is turned toward social causes in particular, they can have a big effect on their family and their community, perhaps even their country or the world.

    Both bring a certain nobility of vision and a focused purpose, practicality, and perseverance in supporting whatever they believe is right.

    Both are willing to sacrifice a great deal to do what they believe needs to be done. For both, fairness is centrally important. (Ones bring a sense of absolute or ideal truth and justice whereas Eights bring a more practical and immediate approach to these concepts.)

    The combination can be very powerful: they accomplish things with a clear cut sense of purpose and personal mission.

    Both are decisive and direct, although Eights bring a passion and gusto that counterbalances the One's self-restraint and propriety.

    Ones can find Eights exciting, physical, and earthy-all the things that they restrain in themselves. Thus, there can be a strong attraction from both sides.

    Further, Eights recognize that Ones are as strong-willed and determined as they are: they cannot easily sway or bowl over Ones.

    Eights thus admire their conviction and are attracted to the challenge of getting closer to Ones.

    In many ways, these two types are opposites-the pirate and the schoolteacher-although both could learn a great deal from the other, if they are willing to listen to someone with such different values, reactions, and ways of doing things.

    Potential Trouble Spots or Issues:

    What breaks Ones and Eights up is often the very thing that attracted them in the first place: how different they are from each other, like fire and ice.

    This is a relatively rare romantic pairing; it is easier for them to be friends or colleagues than to live intimately together.

    Both want to be in charge; both want to accomplish something significant, but they tend to disagree about the means to take.

    Ones tend to be self-controlled and restrained in their self-expressions and methods of doing things. They will deny themselves the pleasure of acting on their real desires and impulses if they are convinced that something they want is not right according to their moral convictions.

    While they may admire the brashness and roguishness of Eights and their apparent ease in going after whatever they want, Ones ultimately begin to draw a line if they see Eights going too far in the pursuit of their self-interest.

    Ones can begin to regard Eights as selfish, insensitive, aggressive, and morally corrupt.

    They may admire the outlaw's bravado, but abhor where it leads them and how much chaos and destruction it creates in its wake.

    Ones can begin to see Eights as crude, untrustworthy, and violent.

    On the other hand, Eights see Ones as hypocrites who preach one thing publicly while doing the opposite privately.

    They see Ones as rigid, self-righteous, nitpicking, and utterly unrealistic about the way the world works.

    Eights often want to do more outrageous things just to provoke the morally judgmental One into apoplexy: both respond with anger before they will acknowledge hurt or fear.

    They can both get into rigid positions and feel that they cannot back down. Violent arguments can often ensue as the relationship flies apart in personal attacks.

    This is one relationship that is much more difficult to fix once a certain threshold of abuse has been crossed.

    For further understanding about this type combination, read more about the Stress Arrow and how types One and Eight behave when they are moving along it.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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