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    Quote Originally Posted by 2hype View Post
    You have got to be kidding me. What did women have to do with any of that? It has to do with rich people in power protecting their own. Especially rich males. It’s the old boys club.
    nobody said anything about women doing anything

    feminine does not = women

    masculine does not = man

    men and women can both exhibit masculine and feminine traits

    so when we talk in abstracts about society being 'hyper masculine' or a feminised 'nanny state' we are not necessarily speaking about something that has been created exclusively by one sex or the other

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    nobody said anything about women doing anything

    feminine does not = women

    masculine does not = man

    men and women can both exhibit masculine and feminine traits

    so when we talk in abstracts about society being 'hyper masculine' or a feminised 'nanny state' we are not necessarily speaking about something that has been created exclusively by one sex or the other
    Which is exactly why these specific distinctions of masculine/feminine are needless, obfuscatory and deleterious.

    Masculine does mean "man-like"; feminine does mean "woman-like"; therefore referring to things as masculine or feminine is going to invoke those ideas, and this is reflected in how people react to the use of these terms. If this isn't what is meant, it shouldn't be what is said.

    Stripping gender from character traits is a deep and long overdue culture shift.
    --Mention of these things is so taboo, they aren't even allowed a name for the prohibition. It is just not done.

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    I've started a thread about masculinity before. These will remain relevant concepts so long as sex occupies the collective consciousness. It's a product of sexual competition, wanting to accentuate desirable traits associated with a sex. The pursuit gets problematic when it extends (too far) as means for overall validation and self-identity. The behavioral stuff can be contrived, misguided non-sense. Even dominant / leader type personality is also associated with sought-after females. Physical traits probably matter more in terms of signalling based on sex. Intelligence, character and all that are desirable regardless of sex/gender.

    At any rate, if a man believes he is "masculine" (whatever that entails) this probably translates well for his self esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    Which is exactly why these specific distinctions of masculine/feminine are needless, obfuscatory and deleterious.

    Masculine does mean "man-like"; feminine does mean "woman-like"; therefore referring to things as masculine or feminine is going to invoke those ideas, and this is reflected in how people react to the use of these terms. If this isn't what is meant, it shouldn't be what is said.

    Stripping gender from character traits is a deep and long overdue culture shift.
    i'm not sure we are totally in agreement

    i was saying that when speaking about abstracts they can't be applied directly to men and women for example speaking about yin and yang energies as both men and women can embody those energies at different times

    But in terms of speaking about masculinity and femininity i think they can be applied broadly to the sexes. men have more testosterone hormone which does have effects on them and women have more estrogen which likewise impacts them

    I was saying that if the 'masculine' principle in an abstract sense represents the active then a pro-active response to the banking crisis would have been to let the banks fail whereas by bailing them out we just allow more of the same and even encourage it

    But i think that men and women are being exposed to endocrine disrupting hormones that are not only destroying fertility across the west but also destroying gender as well. This sabotage of peoples DNA might be celebrated by female supremicists in the short term but in the overall picture they spell disaster for our society

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    i'm not sure we are totally in agreement

    i was saying that when speaking about abstracts they can't be applied directly to men and women for example speaking about yin and yang energies as both men and women can embody those energies at different times

    But in terms of speaking about masculinity and femininity i think they can be applied broadly to the sexes. men have more testosterone hormone which does have effects on them and women have more estrogen which likewise impacts them

    I was saying that if the 'masculine' principle in an abstract sense represents the active then a pro-active response to the banking crisis would have been to let the banks fail whereas by bailing them out we just allow more of the same and even encourage it

    But i think that men and women are being exposed to endocrine disrupting hormones that are not only destroying fertility across the west but also destroying gender as well. This sabotage of peoples DNA might be celebrated by female supremicists in the short term but in the overall picture they spell disaster for our society
    I'm confident we aren't in agreement. I think that the abstract 'masculine' and 'feminine' usages of treating each as a bin of character traits is idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makers!* View Post
    All I'm saying is civilization is one big extension of the womb.

    maybe a better thread title would be: The Infantilization of Society.
    Yea, I can see that. My Dick and Jane 30,000 foot view of it.

    Seems to me to be a byproduct of increasing scale of society and success of said society. As the collective grows in size the individual tends to become more specialized and less relevant to the whole and to the sense of self.

    If things are going well, I think people sense their irrelevance and indulge in pushing their own buttons.

    If there is a struggle for personal survival, people must work harder and get more in touch with their sense of self. If there is a struggle for collective survival, the self is subsumed to the greater good and they again become relevant.

    Besides more public lands and reconnecting with nature, I think it's a good idea to fight overspecialization and try to do things for yourself outside your comfort zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    I'm confident we aren't in agreement. I think that the abstract 'masculine' and 'feminine' usages of treating each as a bin of character traits is idiocy.
    it all comes down to what we think it means when its said the 'feminisation' of society

    are we speaking about society itself going through some abstract process where its traits are changing to become something associated with femininity or are we speaking about people themselves losing their masculinity?

    Because i personally think men and women are being exposed to hormone mimicking endocrine disruptors through every day products and that these are affecting people on a hormonal level

    This is causing a massive uptick in gender identity issues

    While men are losing their fertility and their sex drive and their will to live even women are simultaneously being told by the corporate media to be more aggressive and assertive. they are encouraged by third wave militant marxist feminism to see men not as friends, brothers, fathers or potential partners but instead as the enemy that must be defeated in some sort of 'battle of the sexes'

    there are no winners in a battle of sexes....all that happens is that the world becomes shit for everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    there are no winners in a battle of sexes....all that happens is that the world becomes shit for everyone
    Young women ‘significantly more likely’ to report symptoms of anxiety and depression than young men
    Charities warn high number of young women working in low-paid and insecure jobs having ‘terrible impact’ on their wellbeing

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    Young women are “significantly more likely” to report they are suffering from anxiety or depression than their male counterparts, statistics have revealed, raising concerns that a high number of young women working in low-paid and insecure jobs is leading to a severe decline in mental health.

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed worrying levels of mental illness in all young people, with one in five men and women aged 16-24 showing symptoms of anxiety and depression, an increase from 18 per cent in the period 2009 to 2010 to 21 per cent in 2013 to 2014.

    Women stood out as being particularly affected, with the proportion of young women reporting anxiety and depression having climbed by four per cent within four years from 22 per cent in 2009 to 2010 to 26 per cent in 2013 to 2014. According to the latest statistics, one in four (25 per cent) young women reported such issues, compared with 15 per cent of young men.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7683861.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    it all comes down to what we think it means when its said the 'feminisation' of society

    are we speaking about society itself going through some abstract process where its traits are changing to become something associated with femininity or are we speaking about people themselves losing their masculinity?

    Because i personally think men and women are being exposed to hormone mimicking endocrine disruptors through every day products and that these are affecting people on a hormonal level

    This is causing a massive uptick in gender identity issues

    While men are losing their fertility and their sex drive and their will to live even women are simultaneously being told by the corporate media to be more aggressive and assertive. they are encouraged by third wave militant marxist feminism to see men not as friends, brothers, fathers or potential partners but instead as the enemy that must be defeated in some sort of 'battle of the sexes'

    there are no winners in a battle of sexes....all that happens is that the world becomes shit for everyone
    No. I'm saying the abstractions of masculine and feminine, is idiotic. It doesn't matter which idiocy you choose or what your agenda is when you choose it. Stupid is stupid, and I think labeling character traits with gender is stupid and creates more problems in discourse than it would purport to resolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    No. I'm saying the abstractions of masculine and feminine, is idiotic. It doesn't matter which idiocy you choose or what your agenda is when you choose it. Stupid is stupid, and I think labeling character traits with gender is stupid and creates more problems in discourse than it would purport to resolve.
    ah ok so for example if someone said that the bailing out of the banks was a feminine trait then that would be stupid?

    the reality is that we have both men and women who would be in favour of that and also both men and women who would be against it eg both janet yellen and ben bernanke have both been federal reserve heads and would i'm sure support the bailing out of the banks

    I think what we are seeing is an assault on gender identity which along with certain social engineering is preparing the younger generation to be very fragile and unable to cope in the real world. They also want it unwilling to take personal responsibility. This is all to prepare them to live under state-socialism where they will have everything dictated to them by the state

    Under that system automation will have taken their jobs and they will have handed over all decision making and personal responsibility to the state which they will become completely dependent on.

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