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    When I was in animation/game design school back in 02, there were like 4 girls in the whole school...one too model-esque for anyone to be courageous to talk to (who had a bf who could crush nerds like my schoolmates with but a glance), another who had to drop out because of the long commute + tons of car accidents that she caused (= couldn't afford to continue), a third who was a progressive sort of feminist, ahead of her time, and dating a guy who probably turned out to be gay, and one girl who was massively overweight, attending the school as part of a mid life crisis, and dating some 19 year old nerd who was actually grossed out by her...he just did it for free home cooked meals and chauffeuring around town. It was pretty dysfunctional...but kind of amazingly dysfunctional. I mean, I was always the nerdiest of my peers...but at that school I was actually cool and cultured by comparison. So bizarre.

    If you've ever seen the movie 'Grandma's Boy'...it was pretty much exactly that, except turned up to eleven.

    Fond memories of that time...but one year was enough for a lifetime. Can't imagine actually working in that industry as a career...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalimoe View Post
    Dun cry bby i m ok wen u r her w/ me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utisz View Post
    Sure no worries.

    How was life in the computer science degree? I teach computer science and there's not all that many female students and everyone has a theory on why I guess.
    Did you find it ... i dunno ... kinda sausage-festy? ("Macho" doesn't seem the right adjective for CS.)
    Folks be saying something needs to be done to get more female CS students but I dunno really.
    thx

    It was terrible to be honest. In my first year I was treated like a unicorn. Then, after a bunch of people dropped out/switched degrees and the cohort got smaller, I was treated as incompetent. Though there was this one really lovely Haskell lecturer who tried her best to support me and would have 1-on-1 consults that usually ended with me crying.

    Yeah I wouldn't say macho. More...exclusionary? All the awards and campaigns for females in computing are for high academic achievers, so it feels like you only deserve to be there if you're super duper good. There were heaps of guys who got average marks like me (pass-credit, a handful of fails) and no one really cared. But with me, my peers would be like "maybe computing isn't for you", "some people just aren't that good at programming."

    Something needs to be done but I don't know what to do. I'm too exhausted to fight from just trying to survive. I was going to write an essay on "girl games", focusing dress-up games, and a dude in my ETHICS class called me a "feminazi sjw" so I switched topics to the ethics of selling pre-owned videogames 'cause I didn't want to deal with all that drama A year later I decided to write my dress-up game essay for another class, and some asshole got all mad like "why can't you girls just leave us men alone with our games?" yeah because Barbie: Jet, Set & Style belongs to all men.

    o also heaps of girls got sexually harassed by lecturers/tutors but wouldn't say anything 'cause they didn't want to "make a fuss" or "cause any trouble". I convinced one girl to report a dude though after he threatened to punch her in the face because he saw her sitting with another guy. She wasn't even friends with him???? Also some asshat I did an assignment with called me a "fake gamer girl who can't program" and then tried to hit on me and I hate him forever.

    Where do you teach CS? I hope this shit doesn't happen there. It's pretty demoralising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robcore View Post
    When I was in animation/game design school back in 02, there were like 4 girls in the whole school...one too model-esque for anyone to be courageous to talk to (who had a bf who could crush nerds like my schoolmates with but a glance), another who had to drop out because of the long commute + tons of car accidents that she caused (= couldn't afford to continue), a third who was a progressive sort of feminist, ahead of her time, and dating a guy who probably turned out to be gay, and one girl who was massively overweight, attending the school as part of a mid life crisis, and dating some 19 year old nerd who was actually grossed out by her...he just did it for free home cooked meals and chauffeuring around town. It was pretty dysfunctional...but kind of amazingly dysfunctional. I mean, I was always the nerdiest of my peers...but at that school I was actually cool and cultured by comparison. So bizarre.

    If you've ever seen the movie 'Grandma's Boy'...it was pretty much exactly that, except turned up to eleven.

    Fond memories of that time...but one year was enough for a lifetime. Can't imagine actually working in that industry as a career...
    Yeah, my bf went to an animation/game design school too, and there were only 3-5 females in the whole school. All also with strange backstories. I think there was one with a Gundam tattoo and the guys would call her their "waifu" behind her back.

    Super weird vibes. And only like 2 people out of a cohort of 30 would end up employed in the industry. Everyone seemed to enjoy playing and talking about games more than actually making them. But really if you wanted to be a game dev, as if not study computer science and then specialise? Why would you go to a specialist game design school? Like good work, you now know C# for Unity, Python for Maya, and maybe some outdated Actionscript woooo

    I have not seen 'Grandma's Boy', but I am scared now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalimoe View Post
    thx

    It was terrible to be honest. In my first year I was treated like a unicorn. Then, after a bunch of people dropped out/switched degrees and the cohort got smaller, I was treated as incompetent. Though there was this one really lovely Haskell lecturer who tried her best to support me and would have 1-on-1 consults that usually ended with me crying.

    Yeah I wouldn't say macho. More...exclusionary? All the awards and campaigns for females in computing are for high academic achievers, so it feels like you only deserve to be there if you're super duper good. There were heaps of guys who got average marks like me (pass-credit, a handful of fails) and no one really cared. But with me, my peers would be like "maybe computing isn't for you", "some people just aren't that good at programming."
    That's a really interesting point actually. I hadn't thought of that, like those not made the literal poster girls of CS still get a shitty (or maybe even shittier) time. I can also imagine that sort of condescension being commonplace as a general bias. I guess I can see that bias in myself sometimes too though of course I try to keep it in check. :/

    Something needs to be done but I don't know what to do. I'm too exhausted to fight from just trying to survive. I was going to write an essay on "girl games", focusing dress-up games, and a dude in my ETHICS class called me a "feminazi sjw" so I switched topics to the ethics of selling pre-owned videogames 'cause I didn't want to deal with all that drama A year later I decided to write my dress-up game essay for another class, and some asshole got all mad like "why can't you girls just leave us men alone with our games?" yeah because Barbie: Jet, Set & Style belongs to all men.
    That sucks but is also really commonplace. It's like many female students in CS need to play according to a "male" ... or perhaps more accurately a "she's one of us" stereotype to get by and if they stray out of that, they get shit for it.

    o also heaps of girls got sexually harassed by lecturers/tutors but wouldn't say anything 'cause they didn't want to "make a fuss" or "cause any trouble". I convinced one girl to report a dude though after he threatened to punch her in the face because he saw her sitting with another guy. She wasn't even friends with him???? Also some asshat I did an assignment with called me a "fake gamer girl who can't program" and then tried to hit on me and I hate him forever.
    Yeah, my ex was a postdoc in CS and had lots of stories about that sort of stuff, like old profs that hired her and were paying her salary hitting on her and asking her to meet late in the office and stuff. She'd had a few other awkward male colleagues profess their love for her out of the blue while they were working on something together ... lonely man syndrome I guess ... like she'd appreciate their intellect or something. She wasn't sure what to make of it but all the cases made working with those folks super awkward and weird, esp. in the case of the prof paying her salary who she had to meet all the time.

    Where do you teach CS? I hope this shit doesn't happen there. It's pretty demoralising.
    In Santiago. I guess that shit does happen all the time though admittedly I don't know of any "serious" cases. I guess it's more the unwanted advances and implicit expectations (or lack thereof) type of thing. There's also a bunch of women in CS meetings and female student grants and so on, which in general I feel weird about, like they don't really make sense to me on some level. Addressing harassment and shitty stereotypes seems to be the way to go. Most of the initiatives they've seen seem to try to put forward that women have some sort of "special needs". I guess a lot of women in CS just want to be left alone and treated the same as men and not be some poster girl for someone else's agenda. There's a few initiatives that are cool (imo) though, like reaching out to girls in primary schools and teaching them computational thinking and so on.

    I dunno what's to be done in general. We should all stop acting like dicks and thinking with our dicks but I guess that's often too much to ask.

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