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    I meant Ascetic or Miller. Sorry for confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    What you wrote in your first post was what you always write in every game... Heard it all before, don't like being dictated to, will play how I feel comfortable playing. (Hence the "J" reference) Been using emotions all morning, I'm in that mood.

    Your tendancy towards dictatorship is likely to irk me, but do not construe that with me being mafia.
    The vast majority of games I don't post that in games. You are assuming something about me without bothering to really fact check yourself.
    But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change,
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    But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change,
    and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence.
    ~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickTwist View Post
    The vast majority of games I don't post that in games. You are assuming something about me without bothering to really fact check yourself.
    Not verbatim perhaps, but always in essence.
    Where ever you think that your operating above everyone else anyway.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickTwist View Post
    Anyone who tries to defend themselves by saying "I'm Town" will diminish their argument significantly. We don't know you are Town, you could very well be lying.

    Some other rules of thumb:

    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.
    Can we start by killing the autist?

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    I am going to let the thread breath and develop without me for a bit.
    But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change,
    and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence.
    ~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'

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    And I've got to sleep.

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    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

    ~ Robert Jackson, Statesman (1892-1954)


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    I'm ready to start chopping some heads. (This is a joke about my current avatar. Don't read anything into it.)

    Quote Originally Posted by QuickTwist View Post
    So far I am Leaning Scum on Sinny because of the overuse of emoticons. Also Scum reading her for not really paying much attention to what I wrote in my first post.
    From what I've noticed using emoticons is normal for Sinny. Personally I don't see how that is a scum tell for her.

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    I find launching out the gate by dictating what other people can and can't be suspicious. But trying to make us fear announcing our allegiance to the town is super scummy.

    I am a townie.
    People think they understand their own mortality, even when that understanding has just changed.

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    Good morning!

    What is everyone's experience? Past strategy?

    I've played a handful of games, all of them here. Did ok, but I was new and upfront about it. I prefer to be upfront and do the thinking/strategy typed out here and working together.

    I've always been against unusual voting strategies that reduce game play. In other games I know we could pm each other and it's played a significant role, so this game will be a little different than what I'm used to... Then again I was not included in those secret town meetings before so (Shrug)

    I don't like random voting from the first round, I'd like to find a way to make sure we have at least something to gain/learn even if we lynch an innocent, which is likely.

    In the past I've suggested targeting strong players, especially players strong at playing mafia (on the first round only) thinking that losing a strong player hurts the mafia more than the town because the mafia can talk and take trusted advice from their strongest players. It still kind of makes sense to me and I'm willing to discuss that, but I'm hoping we can find a better option.

    I agree we need more talking and that talking is good for town, often these games get too quiet and I will start targeting extra quiet players if I have no other suspicions because at the very least they are bad for the town.

    My current concerns are that quicktwist seems like he might want to be in control of where the suspicion lies, and it's weird to immediately bring up suspicion against those who post while at the same time wanting to encourage posting (which I guess I'm half doing now)

    I also worry about any bickering and drama, like between Sinny and I. I've played with msg when we had issues and it was not only unpleasant, it was distracting and I think it was easy for the mafia to use that against us. In that game we were both town. I'm thinking that can happen this game, and can be used by mafia to manipulate, distract, it as an excuse for what writing normally be suspicious targeting/voting behavior.
    So let's be careful.
    Don't remember changing this.

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