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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    No because singular 'they' is an abomination and I will fight it with my last breath.
    No. It is the best option. It sounds natural, it covers all the bases, it captures the multiplicity and ambiguity inherent in any individual, and it's already in common use.

    The war is on.
    Too bad, Lady Une. You were far too lenient.
    As a soldier, yes. But as a civilian I lived an austere life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    No. It is the best option. It sounds natural, it covers all the bases, it captures the multiplicity and ambiguity inherent in any individual, and it's already in common use.

    The war is on.
    It doesn't sound natural to me, it sounds informal at best and confusing at worst.

    And the purpose of a pronoun isn't to "capture the multiplicity and ambiguity inherent in any individual", it's to allow you to keep referencing an individual without having to say the person's name over and over again.

    There was never any problem with just using "he" for a person of undetermined gender until some people decided to start getting offended. Sparing peoples' sensitivities is not a good reason to remove clarity and efficiency from our language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    It doesn't sound natural to me, it sounds informal at best and confusing at worst.

    And the purpose of a pronoun isn't to "capture the multiplicity and ambiguity inherent in any individual", it's to allow you to keep referencing an individual without having to say the person's name over and over again.

    There was never any problem with just using "he" for a person of undetermined gender until some people decided to start getting offended. Sparing peoples' sensitivities is not a good reason to remove clarity and efficiency from our language.
    I have never yet encountered a real-life situation in which it is problematic or confusing to say "they" in reference to a person of indeterminate gender.
    Too bad, Lady Une. You were far too lenient.
    As a soldier, yes. But as a civilian I lived an austere life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    I have never yet encountered a real-life situation in which it is problematic or confusing to say "they" in reference to a person of indeterminate gender.
    I call everyone "bozo" and I've never encountered a real-life situation where that's problematic or confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    I call everyone "bozo" and I've never encountered a real-life situation where that's problematic or confusing.
    That's a flat out lie, or you just aren't paying attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    No because singular 'they' is an abomination and I will fight it with my last breath.
    Singular 'they' is useful, and I will fight for it with your last breath.
    You winsome, you loathsome.
    --Meditations on Uncertainty Vol ξ(x)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    That's a flat out lie, or you just aren't paying attention.
    It's a joke meant to illustrate that personal anecdotal evidence is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    It's a joke meant to illustrate that personal anecdotal evidence is worthless.
    It failed on both counts. But I'll acknowledge your intent. However, I'd argue personal anecdotal evidence isn't worthless to the person whose anecdote it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    It failed on both counts. But I'll acknowledge your intent. However, I'd argue personal anecdotal evidence isn't worthless to the person whose anecdote it is.
    I'll take under consideration your personal experience of not finding it to be an effective joke or illustration of my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    I'll take under consideration your personal experience of not finding it to be an effective joke or illustration of my point.
    Which would imply that interpersonal communication, as a rule, is pointless. Hard to poke holes in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    Which would imply that interpersonal communication, as a rule, is pointless. Hard to poke holes in that.
    All I meant to imply is that it's your fault for not getting it and not mine for how I presented it :P. I'm not taking this all that seriously, I know we've had the singular they argument before and realistically, what's at the heart of the debate is personal preference.

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