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    Who is "God"? A random dude or dudes who wrote the bible. God and religion is a nice a idea but get back to reality. What makes the intelligent force any more intelligent or above you? Needs more skepticism.

    In my opinion there is intelligent force above humans but how far does that rabbit hole go? And why? Methinks forever. Eat me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinkie View Post
    Who is "God"? A random dude or dudes who wrote the bible. God and religion is a nice a idea but get back to reality.
    Sometimes it is a horrible idea though - like traditional Christianity's idea that hell is very painful and goes forever. Some Christians, such as my sisters believe that almost everyone is going there including most people who call themselves Christians. Here are excerpts from a sermon by my sisters' pastor about hell:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkbO4tMslG0
    I think sending a nice person to hell forever for having incorrect beliefs is about the most injust thing imaginable. On the other hand my sisters think God is incredibly loving:

    I love you and Jesus and your Heavenly Father love you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo much!!! There wouldnt be enough space in this email if I emphasised how much! Truth is, I cant even fathom it, cos its more than all the sands on the sea shore if you were to count them!! So great is His love for YOU!!!

    What makes the intelligent force any more intelligent or above you? Needs more skepticism.
    I don't know - it is mysterious and often hard to know if it really even exists. BTW the message from the future in "Interstellar" was very intelligent though. BTW this video from "Quantum Gravity Research" I watched a few months ago is interesting how it talks about the future you influencing the past you:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ztlIAYTCU
    There is also an issue of New Scientist magazine from February that has a cover story about the future influencing the past: it says it is like a Sudoku game and that quantum physics isn't actually random if the future is involved.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article...t-happens-now/

    In my opinion there is intelligent force above humans but how far does that rabbit hole go? And why? Methinks forever. Eat me.
    What do you think the nature of the intelligent force is? Is it aliens? Is it outside of the simulation? Is it from the future (like in Interstellar)?

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    BTW there are 7 Lutheran song books with modern songs:

    1980 All Together Now
    1984 All Together Again
    1991 All Together Everybody
    1996 All Together OK
    2001 All Together Whatever
    2007 All Together For Good
    2014 All Together All Right

    "The bread of life" and "The servant song" are from the same book - All Together Again
    http://www.robinmann.com.au/Songs-Al...n-pg23735.html
    They are songs 167 and 191.

    The bread of life is from 1964
    http://www.godsongs.net/2017/04/i-am...-last-day.html

    The servant song is from about 1977
    http://www.godsongs.net/2015/12/serv...serve-you.html

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    From Futurama - Godfellas: (season 3 episode 20)
    http://www.imsdb.com/transcripts/Fut...Godfellas.html
    GOD
    Bender, being God isn't easy, if you
    do too much, people get dependent. And
    if you do nothing, they lose hope. You
    have to use a light touch, like a safecracker
    or a pickpocket.


    BENDER
    Or a guy who burns down the bar for
    the insurance money.


    GOD
    Yes, if you make it look like an electrical
    thing. When you do things right, people
    won't be sure you've done anything at
    all.

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    Good to see that you keep up with the latest fads! Keeping an open mind is hard these days.


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    I got an email from the pastor about the 3 songs:

    Song 1 - The Servant Song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmgpMfnjdU

    Song 3 - I am the Bread of Life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CRMbh8ViUI

    And also the song that I didn't find meaningful - a song that I remember talking about a "wretch". It was:

    Song 2 - How Deep the Father's Love
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7LLuUQqkU

    It is song 635 in 2014's "All Together All Right":
    http://www.robinmann.com.au/Songs-Al...t-pg28015.html

    The lyrics are:
    "How deep the Father's love for us
    How vast beyond all measure
    That He should give His only Son
    To make a wretch His treasure"

    The first two lines are repeated in the Good Friday email about my sister's dream.

    After talking about the dream she wrote:
    Keep sharing what God is doing and any questions,
    concerns, prayer requests or curiosities you might have. I
    am always here for you! How much more Jesus!!!
    I love you and Jesus and your Heavenly Father love you so
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    oooooooooo much!!! There wouldnt be enough space in this
    email if I emphasised how much! Truth is, I cant even fathom
    it, cos its more than all the sands on the sea shore if you
    were to count them!! So great is His love for YOU!!!
    God bless you bountifully,
    [sister 1] and Jesus, Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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    xxxxxxxxxxxxx........to be continued.......FOREVER!!!
    So she was talking about the Father loving me a lot - "beyond all measure".
    My other sister has written two books about the incredibly deep love of God the Father. The blurb begins "No one on this earth will ever fully grasp just how deep and rich the heart of the Father is towards them."

    So the second song, which I thought was quite insignificant has some significance too.

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    The second song from the Maundy Thursday dinner, "How Deep the Father's Love For Us" played at the church I normally go to. I remembered part of the song I was going to mention but had forgotten - "Ashamed I hear my mocking voice Call out among the scoffers". This has been true of me to some degree.

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    At the moment at work there is my boss, his wife, an admin lady, sometimes her husband and sometimes my boss's children and son in law. I am a web programmer and there are 4 programmers from the Philippines. There used to be an on and off programmer who went to the boss's church but lately has been going to my church. He now drives school buses and owns a fish and chip shop. There is a husband and wife who work next door and they go to my church too. I'm not friends on Facebook with that programmer but I saw he liked to dress up as a Lego figure and told him I liked that.

    Anyway tonight the programmer wasn't there so I talked to a guest who was from Gideon's bibles. I asked him about problems with science and the bible. Anyway a guy who I'd never met before asked the guy about that programmer! I said I knew him and he has known him since he was a kid! I said he was a better programmer than me and wondered why he quit since it can be a high paying job. The programmer is a creationist and so is another programmer who used to work at my work for a short time. Then I found out that the programmer had invited the church to his fish and chip shop tonight for free food! If I hadn't had talked to that Gideon guy I probably wouldn't have found out about that offer.

    Anyway I thought that was significant. I still am doubtful mainstream Christianity is true
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    I told my boss's wife that the lady who works next door goes to my church. (the only person who works nearby that I meet) She said she hasn't been to church recently because two of her sons are gay (and the church would disapprove). I said the OT is clearly against it (saying that those who have gay sex should be put to death). She talked about the NT being against divorce and we agreed that Christians pick and choose. That fish and chip shop owning former programmer used to go to her church and knows her sons. When I was hospitalised years ago I thought for a short time that maybe there were some conspiracies going on related to me. Now I think it is weird how these church-related things are connected. BTW I think my boss's old church is really big while the night services of my church are fairly small (about 40-50 people?)

    On the topic of old-earth creationism / theistic evolution, I've come across this: (I believe that maybe there was an intelligent force helping with evolution - maybe the future interacting with the past)
    http://createdevolution.blogspot.com.au/
    https://carm.org/secular-movements/e...-improbability

    As a former Young Earth Creationist (YEC) I was impressed with this tract:
    http://www.oldearth.org/tract.html

    I shared it with a YEC "friend" on Facebook. He believes the universe is 6000 years old and is critical of mainstream astronomy (e.g. our theories of how the moon formed) and evolution. Maybe he has some points though I think he is wrong about the age of the universe.

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