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    Never heard his stuff, and based on this thread I will likely avoid.

    If I want a conservative commentator that I like, I'll stick to David Brooks*.


    With the trend of pulling further to the right in the past couple of decades, some may argue that he is not actually conservative. I'll take his word that he is, however.
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    Everyone is going to get something different out of what he says. It will be useful for some people, and it won't be useful for others.

    I find it really interesting that there's a kind of "it's either totally shit or it's totally true" kind of approach to assessing his work. Psychology isn't an exact science, no one in that field claims that it is, and some aspects of it won't be that useful for certain kinds of people.

    Anyway, have fun debating with your hard concrete statements about really abstract stuff.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have an imaginary world I have to go force into existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    Everyone is going to get something different out of what he says. It will be useful for some people, and it won't be useful for others.

    I find it really interesting that there's a kind of "it's either totally shit or it's totally true" kind of approach to assessing his work. Psychology isn't an exact science, no one in that field claims that it is, and some aspects of it won't be that useful for certain kinds of people.

    Anyway, have fun debating with your hard concrete statements about really abstract stuff.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have an imaginary world I have to go force into existence.
    He claims to be a Christian, yet had never thought to ask himself if he believes in the resurrection of Christ, prior to some interviewer asking him.

    I call bullshit, he makes up his character as he goes along.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    He claims to be a Christian, yet had never thought to ask himself if he believes in the resurrection of Christ, prior to some interviewer asking him.

    I call bullshit, he makes up his character as he goes along.
    What does whether or not he's actually Christian have anything to do with anything? Who cares if he's making up a character?

    I enjoy some of the content that he talks about. Psychology isn't a dogmatic science, and therapists aren't there to tell you what to do. They're meant to act as facilitators They are there to help you figure out things about yourself for yourself.

    What I enjoy is that he gets my mind going, and *I* end up developing some cool new ideas on my own, for myself, about myself. That's the point of his work. It really feels like a lot of people have this twisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    Everyone is going to get something different out of what he says. It will be useful for some people, and it won't be useful for others.

    I find it really interesting that there's a kind of "it's either totally shit or it's totally true" kind of approach to assessing his work. Psychology isn't an exact science, no one in that field claims that it is, and some aspects of it won't be that useful for certain kinds of people.

    Anyway, have fun debating with your hard concrete statements about really abstract stuff.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have an imaginary world I have to go force into existence.
    he's not famous for the psychology stuff. he's famous cuz of the political shit of what he represents (right-wing academic sticking it to The Man / what alt-right calls "the Left").

    to me, most his critics right now are responding to that, but it's the same with his fanbase.

    i've heard lots about his latest book, and i would think he's aware when it comes to marketing strategy and target audience.

    it's self-help for the alt-right.

    i'm very annoyed with his fanbase that i do come across. he's like this pop culture figure by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    it's self-help for the alt-right.
    That doesn't sound like a bad thing. They could use some therapy.

    I don't listen to his political stuff, I don't care.

    I'm not the kind of person that throws the baby out with the bath water. I've found some real use in some of the things he's said. There isn't anyone on planet earth that I agree 100% with on everything. I really can't wrap my head around why so many people have this desire to just throw away someone just because they don't agree with a certain portion about other things they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    That doesn't sound like a bad thing. They could use some therapy.
    idk if it's a good or bad thing, i just have this vague idea in my head that the alternative to self-help* is socialism, and that's scary for a lot of people.

    * in the shallowest sense, such as a genre of literature.

    edit: dang, i just realized how normalized the term "alt-right" has become. not that long ago i was still referring to them as what they are, white nationalists.

    that's PC culture!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    That doesn't sound like a bad thing. They could use some therapy.

    I don't listen to his political stuff, I don't care.

    I'm not the kind of person that throws the baby out with the bath water. I've found some real use in some of the things he's said. There isn't anyone on planet earth that I agree 100% with on everything. I really can't wrap my head around why so many people have this desire to just throw away someone just because they don't agree with a certain portion about other things they say.
    The man seems like an insincere con artist, why would I take him seriously when there are probably dozens of other psychologists out there who are sincere and who aren't con artists.

    And I don't care if he's a Christian or not, as long as there is some valid logical basis to his beliefs - but after having spent the day listening to him, he's wishy-washy on his logic and his beliefs.
    Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    idk if it's a good or bad thing, i just have this vague idea in my head that the alternative to self-help* is socialism, and that's scary for a lot of people.
    It should be, socialism leads only to corruption, poverty and authoritarianism. Self-help works so idk why anyone would need an alternative to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    The man seems like an insincere con artist, why would I take him seriously when there are probably dozens of other psychologists out there who are sincere and who aren't con artists.
    Well if you come across any of their youtube channels, send them my way.

    And I don't care if he's a Christian or not, as long as there is some valid logical basis to his beliefs - but after having spent the day listening to him, he's wishy-washy on his logic and his beliefs.
    Again, I get value out of it. To you he's wishy washy.


    Ok.

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