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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    That doesn't sound like a bad thing. They could use some therapy.

    I don't listen to his political stuff, I don't care.

    I'm not the kind of person that throws the baby out with the bath water. I've found some real use in some of the things he's said. There isn't anyone on planet earth that I agree 100% with on everything. I really can't wrap my head around why so many people have this desire to just throw away someone just because they don't agree with a certain portion about other things they say.
    I dunno, would you apply that logic to Hitler?

    He had me all the way in Mein Kampf, up until about half way when it he went from "the peoples revolution" to "let's kill all the Jews"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    Well if you come across any of their youtube channels, send them my way.



    Again, I get value out of it. To you he's wishy washy.


    Ok.
    I just don't get how you don't think he's wishy washy.

    But then again, if you're only selectively paying attention to portions of his work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    I just don't get how you don't think he's wishy washy.

    But then again, if you're only selectively paying attention to portions of his work...
    I don't mean this to sound harsh (really I don't), but you firmly believe the moon landing was faked, and I have expertise in film production and can tell it wasn't faked, I respect that you think I'm only selectively paying attention to certain things, but this is kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

    I think you're very bright, but I also think you're very bored. Ok so you don't like him, you don't have to. I just don't see this as a grand conspiracy to brainwash the world, and I don't see the deep nefarious agenda. He's trying to make a difference in the world and he has certain points of view that you don't agree with, ok so don't listen to him. We all have points of view, and those points of view influence our work. Does that mean our work then has zero value? I just don't see it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    I don't mean this to sound harsh (really I don't), but you firmly believe the moon landing was faked, and I have expertise in film production and can tell it wasn't faked, I respect that you think I'm only selectively paying attention to certain things, but this is kind of the pot calling the kettle black.
    Actually you've made some ill assumptions, I have never said "I firmly believe the moon landings were faked", you have just assumed so, and we haven't had our conversation yet, so you wouldn't know any different.

    And I'm pretty certain that whatever you think you know, you actually don't know, because your main argument for the moon landing footage being real is simply that "it couldn't be faked", you also provided anecdotes in youtube video format that "it couldn't be faked" due to technological constraints and the inability of governments and industry to keep the technology (to do so) secret.

    As somebody who has witnessed technology that is currently being kept secret by governments world wide, I'm quite comfortable in refuting your assertions.

    I think you're very bright, but I also think you're very bored. Ok so you don't like him, you don't have to. I just don't see this as a grand conspiracy to brainwash the world, and I don't see the deep nefarious agenda. He's trying to make a difference in the world and he has certain points of view that you don't agree with, ok so don't listen to him. We all have points of view, and those points of view influence our work. Does that mean our work then has zero value? I just don't see it that way.
    I also haven't said that his work has no value, I just think it has very little value. His main target audience are white males, so of course it's going to be of little value to me, a female.. and no, I'm not the sort of person who will compartmentalise somebody's character or worth, I prefer a holistic approach... And if the man is so clearly wishy washy is terms of politics and religion, and I have little reason to believe he's going to be realiable in the psychology department.

    The fact the he as a self identified Christian doesn't even have all of his opinions together on Christianity speaks volumes... What else is he just making up as he goes along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pensive_pilgrim View Post
    It should be, socialism leads only to corruption, poverty and authoritarianism. Self-help works so idk why anyone would need an alternative to it.
    self-help "works" cuz it tells individualists how to fix and mold themselves from "square peg to round hole" and certainly that's one of the demands of the capitalist society we live in. so many people have difficulty with it, and some literally and figuratively kill themselves trying.

    socialism appeals to a lot of anti-authoritarians cuz it values management of the self especially as a worker, in regards to management of one's labor.

    there are different types of socialists, many base their politics on anti-authoritarianism, and the issue of "authoritarianism" is a debate socialists have all the time. it makes no sense to generalize.
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    "Socialism leads to corruption and poverty"

    Rofl. Do you know how many millions of people Socialism has lifted out of poverty?

    Somebody needs to go back to history class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    As somebody who has witnessed technology that is currently being kept secret by governments world wide, I'm quite comfortable in refuting your assertions.
    As someone who has built fake planet sets 40 years after that footage was created, I'm quite comfortable in refuting your assertions as well. I was being vague to be gracious because I know a lot of technical information to back that up. I shared my imdb with you, so you know that. There's really no need to bite at me.


    I also haven't said that his work has no value, I just think it has very little value. His main target audience are white males, so of course it's going to be of little value to me, a female.. and no, I'm not the sort of person who will compartmentalise somebody's character or worth, I prefer a holistic approach... And if the man is so clearly wishy washy is terms of politics and religion, and I have little reason to believe he's going to be realiable in the psychology department.

    The fact the he as a self identified Christian doesn't even have all of his opinions together on Christianity speaks volumes... What else is he just making up as he goes along?
    Ok he has no value to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    As someone who has built fake planet sets 40 years after that footage was created, I'm quite comfortable in refuting your assertions as well. I was being vague to be gracious because I know a lot of technical information to back that up. I shared my imdb with you, so you know that. There's really no need to bite at me.




    Ok he has no value to you.
    I'm not biting at you.. I'm just saying the argument that "it wasn't technically possible, or capable of being kept secret" is a weak argument when there are "anti gravity" craft flying above peoples heads as we speak. (and yea, it's my firm belief that if out governments and industries are capable of that, then yea, they are probably more than capable of faking or manipulating the moon landing footage. If they've managed to run aerospace and space based black operations outside of the knowledge of the majority of aviators, then I don't see why they can't have have the capabilities to create futuristic cinematic productions outside of the knowledge of most mainstream producers - seems logically consistent to me)

    We'll flesh out the details when we do actually catch up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    I'm not biting at you.. I'm just saying the argument that "it wasn't technically possible, or capable of being kept secret" is a weak argument when there are "anti gravity" crafts flying above peoples heads as we speak. (and yea, it's my firm belief that if out governments and industries are capable of that - then, yea, they are probably more than capable of faking or manipulating the moon landing footage).

    We'll flesh out the details when we do actually catch up
    It isn't a weak argument when you're intimately familiar with how this technology works. Even in just the 8 years I've been in the industry the advancements have been so rapid. As someone who "fakes footage" for a living, I'm just really damn sure that it wasn't faked. It takes years of training to really know what you're looking at when you look at footage, I remember what it was like before I trained and it's like I see a different world now.

    Anyway, this isn't the time or place for this. Speaking of movies, one of them is happening to me again tomorrow so I couldn't now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
    It isn't a weak argument when you're intimately familiar with how this technology works. Even in just the 8 years I've been in the industry the advancements have been so rapid. As someone who "fakes footage" for a living, I'm just really damn sure that it wasn't faked. It takes years of training to really know what you're looking at when you look at footage, I remember what it was like before I trained and it's like I see a different world now.

    Anyway, this isn't the time or place for this. Speaking of movies, one of them is happening to me again tomorrow so I couldn't now anyway.
    For clarity, I'm not calling into dispute your knowledge.
    What I'm calling into dispute is the knowledge you lack.

    Governments are lying about advancements in the aerospace sector, and they have (for the most part) managed to keep it secret.. therefore I take issue with your statements of absolute that 1) The capabilities (absolutely) did not exist 2) the capabilities (absolutely) couldn't be kept secret.

    As again I'll reiterate that the arguments commonly brought forth against the existence of "UFOs" are 1) The technology doesn't exist 2) It couldn't be kept secret.

    When my own eyes (and camera) observe otherwise.

    Anyway, back to Peterson bashing..
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