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    Separating kids from parents at the border

    Can someone explain just what the hell is happening?
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    Heh. We've been here years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madrigal View Post
    Can someone explain just what the hell is happening?

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    Must be something trumpty dumpty learned off his new North Korean friend...

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ocial_facebook

    I asked the person who had attended the D.H.S. meeting with Gene Hamilton what had changed since last year, when the Administration was reluctant to publicly embrace the family-separation policy. The person pointed to the President. In the early days of Trump’s Presidency, migrants were anxious about how harsh his policies might prove to be. For a few months, illegal border crossings declined—a fact that Trump bragged about and took personal pride in. But by the end of the year the numbers had returned to levels roughly consistent with where they’d been just before he took office. Trump has complained that U.S. immigration laws are “pathetic” and riddled with “loopholes,” including, among other things, the “catch and release” of asylum seekers. He’s also held Nielsen personally responsible for the rise in migration from Central America. “What you’re seeing now is the President’s frustration with the fact that the numbers are back up,” the person told me. “The only tools the Administration has now, in the absence of legislation, is to make life miserable for people.”

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    heres an article

    Old model= process border crossers through immigration court, Republicans decry as “catch and release”
    Current= zero tolerance, prosecute in criminal court rather than immigration proceedings. Hence adults and children being separated. Doesn’t matter if they are legit asylum seekers are not.

    It makes a certain class of people happy to know that some rule breakers lives are getting fucked up for a relatively harmless infraction. Probably the same people who get justice boners for marijuana drug sentencing.

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    If citizen parents commit crimes that lead to jail time, we separate them from their children as well. Children do not render you immune from prosecution. Having a dependent or dependents you are responsible for isn't a free pass to ignore the law, but rather an excellent reason or reasons to comply.

    Children are being used as emotional levers on all sides of this ongoing issue of adult lawbreakers.

    Which makes more sense? Prosecute the children for their alleged parent's crimes? Or give carte blanche to adult misbehavior because they have a child with them?

    Neither answer has a pleasant outcome.
    Most of time, when people ask why something terrible happened, they don't realize they are looking for someone to blame.

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    This is fucking stupid.

    If you are a parent, it is incumbent upon you to know what is the immigration standards/practices/policies of the country you are trying to enter with your children. It is the parents who are bringing their children to the US border. It is not the US border that is coming to them. The fault for any undesirable outcome of process afflicting them (or their children) is theirs. The same as it would be for walking your children over a lake of fire or a bed of nails.

    Can/should the laws be changed to be better or make more sense, etc? Perhaps. But that is irrelevant with regard the the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hephaestus View Post
    If citizen parents commit crimes that lead to jail time, we separate them from their children as well. Children do not render you immune from prosecution. Having a dependent or dependents you are responsible for isn't a free pass to ignore the law, but rather an excellent reason or reasons to comply.

    Children are being used as emotional levers on all sides of this ongoing issue of adult lawbreakers.

    Which makes more sense? Prosecute the children for their alleged parent's crimes? Or give carte blanche to adult misbehavior because they have a child with them?

    Neither answer has a pleasant outcome.
    Strawman.

    The issue is not jail vs ignore.

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