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    Senior Member Sinny's Avatar
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    I'm not smoking throughout this, I just mean in general.

    I'm 110% against pharmaceutical intervention into emotional and mental issues, I'd rather smoke a spliff and reflect on the finer things in life.

    I'm mean, is there really a pill out there that can enhance my enjoyment of music, art, humour and good will... Besides ecstasy, that is

    Having a shitty day? Weed turns it around for me..

    My brain is literally hardwired to react in anger/irritation, weed's a sure cure for that.

    I'm perfectly capable of going cold turkey, but I've decided it's a life style choice. I usually drop it as a life style choice when going through fitness fads or phases... They'll be plenty of those too.

    And hell, I totally contest the notion that weed is a depressant

    Weeds always been a miraculous stimulant for me, ever since recieving wisdom from the subconscious when I was stoned in my double science exam in High school, it's always worked wonders.

    Plus I'm a chronic pain sufferer with my back, definitely helps with pain management.. the doctors would over dose me on Ibuprofen if they had it their way.

    And yeah, we are all self medicating to some degree.. I just think some approaches are healthier than others.

    Of course the best approach is simply possessing healthy mind body & spirit - but as per the point of this discussion, some of us have been fucked since birth.
    Last edited by Sinny; 09-27-2018 at 11:45 AM.
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    mosquito-infested hell
    Just had to do my due diligence. 🙂

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    has anybody read gabor maté's books?
    I have not read any of his books or even heard of him.

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    +believes addiction, mental illness, many physical illnesses are rooted in childhood trauma*
    Yes. However, could also be caused by trauma experienced in adulthood such as mental health issues caused by going to war or working as a porn actress or prostitute. However, working as a porn actress or prostitute is a result of childhood trauma or at least a lack of a father's love in many cases.

    Most physical illnesses are caused by poor diet or a lack of exercise. Overeating and under-eating are types of addiction. Poor nutrition and lack of exercise can stem from the busyness of modern life, which relates to his point about capitalism rather than trauma.

    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    +believes substances aren't inherently addictive. the issue is an individual's susceptibility to addiction (rooted in childhood trauma)
    I think some substances such as meth and heroin are inherently addictive or bordering on being inherently addictive. I generally agree with the idea about susceptibility to addiction being rooted in trauma because using substances is a way to deal with the trauma, so if someone without any trauma used the substances, they would probably not use them excessively. I also think that some people are born with a personality that could lead them to addiction by being naturally thrill-seeking or highly anxious.

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    +argues for harm reduction practices and supervised injection sites
    The harm of overdosing is not the only harm associated with drug use. I think that harm reduction strategies send the message that drug use is not harmful if done with the right precautions, which is not true. The real harm is spiritual. In my view, it leads to more people using drugs and therefore more harm associated with using drugs.

    However, the push to make drug use common and socially acceptable is coming from many directions so there is not much point trying to stop just one of them. It comes through the media, the education system and the CIA drug traffickers.

    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    +argues that the war on drugs is a war on traumatized people
    I see the war on drugs as part of a long-term plan to make drug use common and socially acceptable. The powers that be are pushing drugs incredibly hard so the war on drugs can never succeed. The fact that the war on drugs is a failure will then be used an argument to change the laws and attitudes in relation to drugs. In the past, drug use was completely legal but socially unacceptable. It was then criminalised and gradually portrayed as being a health problem rather than a moral danger. Eventually it will become legal and socially acceptable.

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    +generally believes in the value of psychedelic-based psychotherapy, and has facilitated ayahuasca-assisted therapy for people in addiction recovery. "with ayahuasca, people often say it can be like 10 years of psychotherapy in one week."
    Treating problems with drugs is a very American thing. Therapy is another very American thing. I see addiction as primarily a spiritual problem (taking drugs because of a desire to take drugs) rather than a mental or physical problem.

    I advocate truth and love as the solution to problems and believe that ultimately people need to solve their own problems through a change of heart. Being loved opens people's hearts to hearing the truth they need to hear in relation to the necessary change of heart. Experiencing love can displace fear and other feelings associated with trauma and move people away from their drug use.

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    +has spoken about capitalism creating conditions where children spend most of their time away from nurturing adults, which he argues is necessary for proper brain development
    I fully agree. Jobs are putting more and more demands on us and this is affecting our relationships. Even if we are physically present, we are often so exhausted that we can invest the time and effort needed to build good relationships.

    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    his most common criticism is that his emphasis on childhood trauma is "limiting," which is hard to argue with. he says that medical professionals aren't usually taught to consider the impact of trauma and are basically trained to be ignorant about it. from interviews, it sounds like he came to this conclusion about the impact of trauma based on his work with addicts (as an on-site physician in what was formerly the only supervised injection site in north america).
    Trauma, largely childhood trauma is a huge factor. I'd also add a lack of love. I don't know if he discusses the spiritual dimension in terms of causation and healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jigglypuff View Post
    there are two books of his i wanna read next: in the realm of hungry ghosts: close encounters with addiction and when the body says no: the cost of hidden stress.

    apparently his ideas are somewhat controversial. personally, i don't find them so challenging, but i'm also not super informed when it comes to these matters. my interest in his ideas started when i read his excellent book on adhd.
    I teach a student with severe adhd at the moment. I always treat him well (show him love) and speak the truth he needs to hear. After many months, he has reached the point where he wants to change his behaviour and is starting to do so. I can see a bright future for him whereas every other teacher has written him off. I'd say that all problems have a spiritual dimension and respond to truth and love.
    Love displaces fear

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    Dr.Awkward Robcore's Avatar
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    If spiritual enlightenment is the sun, then drugs seem to temporarily remove the clouds. The addiction is to that spiritual high, I would think. The lows suck.

    I found it interesting to read about the many spiritual people in the USA who had critical peak experiences using LSD (including Bill Wilson, of Alcoholics Anonymous fame)...they would generally prepare themselves for a trip well in advance, by setting an intention for the trip, and contemplating on their problem beforehand...the purposeful trip would bring about the eureka moment, and actually elevate their consciousness in a meaningful way, changing them permanently, so they go above the clouds, in effect.
    ...the origin of emotional sickness lay in people’s belief that they were their personalities...
    "The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong." ~Carl Jung

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