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    The Current State of Climate Change

    I just read this piece about how lobbyists tried and failed to limit carbon emissions in the 80s.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ing-earth.html

    This along with other pieces leaves me with a vague and pervasive anxiety about the future of human civilization as we know it.

    On the one hand, civilization as we know it is always ending because civilization is always changing, but on the other hand... Current projections seem particularly cataclysmic.

    So, INTPx, what's your take on our current understanding of climate change? How are you planning to cope, practucally and emotionally? What are your greatest concerns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    So, INTPx, what's your take on our current understanding of climate change? How are you planning to cope, practically and emotionally? What are your greatest concerns?
    I've said this before, so I will say it again. While I don't deny the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is increasing, I am highly skeptical about the predictions about exactly how it will affect the climate.

    My biggest fear is political stupidity being enacted as a result of bad science and stupid popular opinion. Even today, you see "global" policy always has to give a pass to developing nations which is all about socialist policy versus getting results. If China and India get a free pass, we're screwed on the emissions front. And they will, because China doesn't give a shit what the UN wants (wise on their part) and we can't hold back poor ole India now can we?

    So a few of the industrialized nations fuck about a bit with carbon pricing (taxes), maybe reduce emissions a few percent, and global emissions keep on chugging.

    I'll be dead before any shit hits the fan (if it's ever going to) so outside of some economic pain due to stupid political policy, I have no worries.

    I hope to live long enough to see if climate change really proves to be a problematic issue or to see the whole thing debunked. But that might still take decades, so who knows if I will make it.

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    Unless you are trained to analyze the data, it's a matter of faith and which climate prophet(s) you trust. I'd wager 95% or more of us are in that category. The fact it is generally bundled into an ideology (whether catastrophism or "denial" -- left or right, respectively) is the most damning evidence of this.


    Personally, I "believe" in climate change but only insofar as I "believe" in the science that helped engineer the bridge I cross everyday during my commute. I don't argue consensus when I cross it just like I don't argue consensus when I go to the doctor and get medicine.



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    Yeah but personally. Does the likelihood of climate change, resource depletion, etc, whatever version you believe that to be, factor into your personal plans. And how so?

    Like, I honestly think about the future of the watersheds of various places I consider moving to. I'm undecided as to how much weight I should give such considerations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senseye View Post
    I hope to live long enough to see if climate change really proves to be a problematic issue or to see the whole thing debunked. But that might still take decades, so who knows if I will make it.
    It already is problematic. The Syrian crisis had its roots in climate change and the current migrant caravan on the Mexican border has climate change influenced drought as one of the root causes. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...entral-america

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    some climate scientists are suggesting that the governments of the worlds major economies need to carry out 'solar radiation management' to block out the suns rays in order to prevent 'global warming'. This would require the spraying of nano-particulates into the atmosphere, out of planes that would then spread out and cause a milky cloud cover over the earth

    However anyone who looks away from their phone for a few minutes and looks up into that large blue space we call 'the sky' can clearly see that they are already spraying particulates across our skies but are simply not admitting it to the public because of the clear dangers to health caused by such actions

    So before we speak of any sort of 'climate change' we have to first consider that man is already messing with the climate in which case how can we know what weather events are caused by 'climate change' and which are caused by geoengineering

    secondly the big corporate interests who push globalisation and the UN want to impose a centralised government on the worlds populations. In order to get everyone to agree to this they have to create a crisis so they claim that carbon dioxide created by man is the driver of climate change

    But what if it isn't?

    What if mans contribution to the worlds carbon dioxide is tiny and what if it is actually solar activity that affects the earths climate?

    If that's the case then clearly some people are playing politics with this issue in order to impose new controls over the worlds population

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaJ View Post
    Yeah but personally. Does the likelihood of climate change, resource depletion, etc, whatever version you believe that to be, factor into your personal plans. And how so?

    Like, I honestly think about the future of the watersheds of various places I consider moving to. I'm undecided as to how much weight I should give such considerations.
    A lot of people seem to have a feeling that something is not right with the world and that a major crisis of some sort is coming. My prediction is for financial and economic collapse and another world war. Finance and even capitalism are Ponzi schemes in my view and are both reaching their limits.

    I am not worried about climate change or resource depletion; this is mostly about politics and ideology to control populations.
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