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    Quote Originally Posted by last_caress View Post
    The big mistake here is treating the Giuliani Biden story as an ordinary news story rather than another attempt to manipulate the election like the Clinton emails in 2016 by Russian intelligence through Giuliani.

    FBI probing whether emails in New York Post story about Hunter Biden are tied to Russian disinformation

    FBI's Wray: Russia using 'drumbeat of misinformation' to undermine Biden campaign

    They made the right call. This isn't about bias or free speech, it's about protecting the election from foreign interference.
    It was published that Russians were trying to hack to get Burisma emails back in January. The Trump campaign got their illegally hacked info from Russians for the election last time, why not repeat?

    Will Trump give Giuliani a peremptory pardon before he gets kicked out of the WH?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-report-2020-1 Dated January 2020
    Russian military-intelligence operatives have been working to hack into Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural-gas company, since at least November, The New York Times found in an explosive new report.

    At the time, President Donald Trump's efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate Burisma were at the center of the US news cycle. Trump's interest in the company spiked after he learned that Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, served on the board of Burisma until earlier in 2019.

    Since then, the US president has leveled unfounded allegations of corruption against the Bidens related to Hunter Biden's work for Burisma. The Times reported that it's unclear what the Russian hackers uncovered or what they were looking for. But security experts told the outlet that Russian intelligence agents appeared to be digging around for dirt on the Bidens, which is something Trump asked the Ukrainian government, as well as his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and several others, to obtain ahead of the 2020 election. Those requests from Trump made up the basis of a sprawling impeachment inquiry that led the House of Representatives to impeach him last month on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

    The Times' report also cited a US security official as saying Russian hacking attempts against Burisma "appear to be running parallel" to efforts by Russian spies in Ukraine to obtain dirt that might embarrass the Bidens. Specifically, they're said to be searching for emails, financial documents, and legal records. Area 1, the cybersecurity firm that discovered the attacks, found in a report that Russia's hacking technique with respect to Burisma bore some significant parallels to when it hacked into the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 election and stole thousands of emails that were damaging to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

    The Russian government disseminated those emails to the radical pro-transparency group WikiLeaks in an effort to amplify their effect and launch a disinformation campaign aimed at crippling the Clinton campaign. Clinton has argued that WikiLeaks' document dumps were a key factor in her defeat to Trump in the election.

    Area 1's report said the Russian hackers who attacked Burisma employed a tactic known as spear phishing to obtain sensitive information like usernames and passwords. They then reportedly created dummy websites that looked like the login pages for Burisma subsidiaries and have since been pelting Burisma's employees with emails that look as if they're coming from within the company.

    Oren Falkowitz, a cofounder of Area 1 and a former National Security Agency employee, told The Times the attacks this time were successful and looked like "a repeat of Russian interference in the last election."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxyjen View Post
    I said that their explanation of their actions make sense, especially given historical context and parallels between this story/2016, and doesn't seem to be politically biased given the circumstances and their TOS.

    I'm not terribly familiar with twitter, so I didn't want to get down some rabbit hole of "Well twitter did [this] with X story, but they did [that] with Y story, so that means they ARE biased." I have no interest in getting into the trenches if you are convinced there is bias (that I'm not seeing)--let's cut to the chase here, they have no obligation to be unbiased at the end of the day. Bringing subpeonas to Twitter and Facebook is ridiculous in light of First Amendment.
    Thanks, that clarifies it. I don't use Twitter so can't judge for myself whether it is biased but don't ever hear any news stories about moderator decisions going against progressives so that makes me think there could be some truth in claims of political bias.

    I have heard some claim that the fact that Twitter is classified as a platform rather than a publisher protects them from libel laws but that this requires them to be unbiased. However, I am not sure whether this is correct. It would be impractical for social media companies to identify and remove all potentially libelous content in real time so classifying them as publishers does not seem reasonable but, as I said, I am not sure whether this requires them to be unbiased. I accept the need for rules and moderation but can see the potential for bias through selective and differential enforcement of rules.

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    Red face

    I couldn't possibly keep up with all the nonsense posted on this forum regularly, so I've just popped by to say

    CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE ON HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP.
    BOOM.

    ETA: "the Russians did it"

    If Biden is the answer... what the fuck was the question?!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    I couldn't possibly keep up with all the nonsense posted on this forum regularly, so I've just popped by to say

    CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE ON HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP.

    BOOM.
    Wow... where are you getting your info now QAnon is banned off Facebook, Twitter and TikTok? 8Chan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jyng1 View Post
    Wow... where are you getting your info now QAnon is banned off Facebook, Twitter and TikTok? 8Chan?
    We are the news now.

    Talk about conspiracy nuts, you Libtards are the equivalent to flat earthers.
    If Biden is the answer... what the fuck was the question?!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinny View Post
    We are the news now.

    Talk about conspiracy nuts, you Libtards are the equivalent to flat earthers.

    Us libtards don't have 299,000 excess deaths...

    Us libtards just caught Giuliani in the worst moment of his life

    ““Put down your chram!” he shouts, referring to Rudy’s penis. “She’s 15! She’s too old for you!”



    Last edited by jyng1; 10-21-2020 at 08:51 PM.

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    https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...unter-biden-a/

    There's not even been the claim that those have been found there by any reputable sources. The stuff that does exist may be hacked and/or doctored. The FBI has the hard drive now. But if there is a reputable site that is reporting it, would be good to know. I know sinny didn't want to rush to judgment about michael jackson touching boys, I'm sure she would presume innocence as is her stated belief.

    but whew something tells me this is going to get in the way of him running for....oh wait, Hunter isn't even running. were they not able to hack into anything of any significance from the actual candidate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxyjen View Post
    oh wait, Hunter isn't even running. were they not able to hack into anything of any significance from the actual candidate?
    Yeah they got some texts that indicate he's a really good dad.

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    The best October surprise the Republicans could muster was all related to a person who's not even running. If they actually cared about corruption and child pornography, how can you support Donald Trump? There's not even actual proof of anything about any of this outside of the news story that was reported. Meanwhile, on the topic of corruption, Trump was impeached for trying to enlist a foreign government to gather dirt on a political opponent, as well as referred to a known sex trafficker as "his good friend" and even went so far as to wish his accomplice "well" when questioned about Ghislane Maxell.

    The whataboutism and holding Trump to a different standard of (un)accountability is incredibly infuriating. Deflect and project seems to be the only real play in their playbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    The best October surprise the Republicans could muster was all related to a person who's not even running. If they actually cared about corruption and child pornography.
    Leaked to the press by Rudy Giuliani


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