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    Joker: Champion of the precariat or alt-right incel?
    In the movie storyline Joker is the champion of a swath of people who feel aggrieved by better off people. His followers shared his resentment of the rich and successful, such as the Waynes and the Wayne employees.

    However, Joker’s resentment is broader. He says “all people are awful.” Reminded me of this song favorite of Charlie Manson.



    Though Arthur (Joker) does have a soft spot for little people. Children respond positively to his clown act and the dwarf was the only one who was ever nice to him.

    The movie did have political undertones, but on balance was neither staunchly right or left wing. There was grist available to both confirm and to question political biases across the spectrum.

    The most overtly political theme was socialist. Arthur was denied support from a medical system which was underfunded by the powerful who “don’t give a shit about people.” Untreated and unsupported by the government, he suffered and was a victim.

    However, the socialist message for the government to care for people’s well being is subverted when the messengers become the victimizers. The vast majority of people don’t believe that your aggrieved status justifies murdering people you resent.

    Arthur evolved from a victim, who had the audience’s sympathy; had a brief stop at being a person who used arguably justifiable force to defend himself; to an insane murderer. He evolved from a person we want to see protected to a person we want to be protected from. We also want to be protected from his violent radical followers. A desire for law and order is typically a right wing theme.

    However, any right wing admiration for the successful was undercut by them being portrayed as dicks. I’m thinking of the three guys in suits being victimizers on the train and of a “deplorables” like comment from Bruce Wayne’s father. Bruce Wayne’s father did have the redeemable quality of being protective of his son. Something that Joker lacked. Guess that’s another right wing associated theme, the importance of a caring responsible father.

    I think the hero of the movie was the dwarf. Despite his challenges and some people not being nice to him, he seemed to be well adjusted and relatively thriving in his “unfair happenstance.”

    My wife is neither interested in politics nor is she religious. She commented as the ending credits were rolling that Joker lacked love in his life. I can imagine @Guess Who expounding on that theme.
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