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    Kuranes Likes to Be Wrong About Music

    This thread is about music. Kuranes might post facts or opinions, but both will probably be wrong.

    This is goth, but not punk.

    "I don't have psychological problems." --Madrigal

    "When you write about shooting Polemarch in the head, that's more like a first-person view, like you're there looking down the sight of the gun." --Utisz

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    Six centuries ago, the pre-Colombian natives who settled here named this region with a word which in their language means "the Mouth of Shadow". Later, the Iroquois who showed up and inexplicably slaughtered every man, woman and child renamed it "Seriously, Fuck that Place". When French explorer Jacques Marquette passed through the area he marked his map with a drawing of a brownish blob emerging from between the Devil's buttocks.

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    It's pre-ska.
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    Osito, I don't like that song. Post nicer goth stuff.

    Would you say this is goth, by the way? Just an influence, right? While I was frequenting goth places (not really my idea and it was a very long time ago), someone left this song on my answering machine and never said who they were.

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    William S. Burroughs and Michael Franti.




    Goth, sweet goth.

    "I don't have psychological problems." --Madrigal

    "When you write about shooting Polemarch in the head, that's more like a first-person view, like you're there looking down the sight of the gun." --Utisz

    David Wong, regarding Chicago
    Six centuries ago, the pre-Colombian natives who settled here named this region with a word which in their language means "the Mouth of Shadow". Later, the Iroquois who showed up and inexplicably slaughtered every man, woman and child renamed it "Seriously, Fuck that Place". When French explorer Jacques Marquette passed through the area he marked his map with a drawing of a brownish blob emerging from between the Devil's buttocks.

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    I tried turning Madrigal on to a Michael Franti song many years ago. It was more a mix of Caribbean and rock, as I saw it. Your Burroughs piece was more like surrealistic "lounge" background in the "spoken word" genre than it was Goth, IMO. Next you'll be pretending to turn me on to John Giorno. Way ahead of you, as usual.

    I haven't listened to the other stuff yet, and perhaps will never get round to doing so. if you're a good boy, then....maybe...

    Quote Originally Posted by Osito Polar View Post
    Kuranes might post facts or opinions, but both will probably be wrong.
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    Facts is facts. Is your knowledge of Goth and Punk from experience ? If so, it might just be a little more informed than opinions on red wine from an admitted non-drinker. ;P
    Last edited by kuranes; 02-25-2014 at 08:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    Your Burroughs piece was more like surrealistic "lounge" background in the "spoken word" genre than it was Goth, IMO.
    Sigh. :shakes head:

    Oh, kuranes. Somehow you never fail to disappoint.

    I didn't say William S. Burroughs and Michael Franti were doing goth. They're not. It's all about the William S. Burroughs. He's ... very difficult to categorize. If you must categorize him, he was one of the seminal writers of the Beat movement.

    But kuranes, for your reference, this is lounge:



    Goth! Goth! Goth!

    "I don't have psychological problems." --Madrigal

    "When you write about shooting Polemarch in the head, that's more like a first-person view, like you're there looking down the sight of the gun." --Utisz

    David Wong, regarding Chicago
    Six centuries ago, the pre-Colombian natives who settled here named this region with a word which in their language means "the Mouth of Shadow". Later, the Iroquois who showed up and inexplicably slaughtered every man, woman and child renamed it "Seriously, Fuck that Place". When French explorer Jacques Marquette passed through the area he marked his map with a drawing of a brownish blob emerging from between the Devil's buttocks.

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    This is a goth song that I think Madrigal will enjoy.
    "I don't have psychological problems." --Madrigal

    "When you write about shooting Polemarch in the head, that's more like a first-person view, like you're there looking down the sight of the gun." --Utisz

    David Wong, regarding Chicago
    Six centuries ago, the pre-Colombian natives who settled here named this region with a word which in their language means "the Mouth of Shadow". Later, the Iroquois who showed up and inexplicably slaughtered every man, woman and child renamed it "Seriously, Fuck that Place". When French explorer Jacques Marquette passed through the area he marked his map with a drawing of a brownish blob emerging from between the Devil's buttocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osito Polar View Post
    Sigh. :shakes head:

    Oh, kuranes. Somehow you never fail to disappoint.

    I didn't say William S. Burroughs and Michael Franti were doing goth. They're not. It's all about the William S. Burroughs. He's ... very difficult to categorize.
    I agree that Burroughs is difficult to categorize. I differentiated the "background" from the "spoken word" part on that, and I qualified the "lounge" comment by saying it was a surreal variation of lounge. Your example of it is not the sole standard by which it is distinguished. I don't think it unreasonable of me to think you were saying the Burroughs piece was Goth since your thread, naming me as being wrong about music in its very title, starts out with a post saying "This is not Punk. Its Goth". You don't go on to say in the next post "And this is so and so" music. ( Unless you go back to edit it and say that you did, after the fact. ) Leading one to assume you are continuing on your "You don't understand Goth" theme of the first post.

    Spoken word over a minor key or eerie background is often called "Goth", as you well know, having shown "Fields of the Nephelim" as an example of Goth in the "Punk Rock" thread at INTPc that preceded this. I then mentioned that the Doors were producing pieces that utilized this format well before the time you had said Goth began. ( Since you were keen to point out some proto-punk examples to me. ) You disagreed ( of course ) without going into particulars.
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    I feel like there's a joke in this thread that I'm not getting. Something about goth or punk?

    I dunno. But anyway, if it wasn't for these guys, my forum name wouldn't exist. The first album I heard from them was called 'A' -- I heard it in 1999 and it blew my fucking mind. A whole new world of music and sound was opened up in front of me.

    They can be really quiet and minimal:









    And really goddamn loud, throwing back to the early 70's when you had bands like Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV. What I like about this song is you hear it and think "jesus, how they can possibly fit any more noise into this? All the headroom is completely taken up already. Then they make it blister even more:








    Then some more beat driven, skeletal sound scapes:

    Wild skies
    Full moon and thoughts collide
    We look for answers in those catatonic, bloodshot eyes
    A steady stream of madness
    Rises to a flood...

    ...The clock is ticking for Bad Blood

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osito Polar View Post
    This is a goth song that I think Madrigal will enjoy.
    You think I like chick music.

    It's true.

    The Sisters of Mercy video with the a shoulder-padded Elvira galopping across the desert = 5 stars
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